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Call For Discussion : CSM Voting Reform

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#521 - 2012-09-10 01:30:08 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

It was talked about as "a problem" at the CSM meet in may/june. The CSM came up with this abortion of a suggestion, birthed out of the abortion of a set of minimum requirements, 3 months later.

You've spent 3 months on this.


You are my favorite poster in this thread because you know exactly what is going on and don't hesitate to let the people know.
CSM Chairman treating us to some more b-grade shitposts.
Asking him some questions usually sends him scurrying off.


No, I tend to answer things I'm asked. That you don't like or believe the answers is something I have no control over.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#522 - 2012-09-10 01:30:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
We put all of two candidates on the council in CSM 6.

Perhaps that "substantial" portion of the game (more likely a bunch of sockpuppets but whatever) should focus their time on getting more people to vote rather than trying to diminish the influence of a motivated 0.0 voting bloc.
Hey! Stop summarizing my walls of text into two coherent sentences! :)
RDevz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#523 - 2012-09-10 01:31:03 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Poetic Stanziel: Happy CCP threw out 10,000 votes.


How does CD-"STV" stop CCP from dismissing someone after the election results have been announced?

~
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#524 - 2012-09-10 01:31:14 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I don't think all the trolling in the thread by the CSM is helping their case.

They're hoping it looks enough like a discussion so they can get it through and say it was settled long ago by the time elections arrive.

Maybe they might need some help to get posts deleted that point out how biased the system is though.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#525 - 2012-09-10 01:32:29 UTC
RDevz wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel: Happy CCP threw out 10,000 votes.

How does CD-"STV" stop CCP from dismissing someone after the election results have been announced?

It would do so by making sure that person didn't get in in the first place. (That would be us, we're the bad people).

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#526 - 2012-09-10 01:37:10 UTC
Seleene wrote:
No, I tend to answer things I'm asked. That you don't like or believe the answers is something I have no control over.


Ok, here's a question! When you guys came up with this "**** goons" voting system, did you do it because you thought it'd rouse the totally-real-and-not-at-all-made-up Silent Pubbie Majority into voting for you, or did you do it because you really just have a problem with goon candidates in and of themselves?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#527 - 2012-09-10 01:38:31 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Guarantee you i didnt spend 3 months on that rofl.

You know, the bit about the literacy test? You might want to take one.

When I talk about "you", I talk about "you, the CSM". Unless, of course, you want to do what Hans did, and throw Trebor out the window and basically say that Trebor is lying when he's saying "The CSM believes".

Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel: Happy CCP threw out 10,000 votes.

Your strawman's on fire.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#528 - 2012-09-10 01:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
To be honest, I'm VERY surprised at the number of Goonswarm posting that things should be kept exactly the same. You want to talk disenfranchisement, the over 10,000 votes for TheMitanni got thrown out because of his banning after he got elected. Are you guys sure you think NOTHING needs to be changed?
What does The Mittani's resignation have to do with the voting process? Nothing at all, in case you were wondering.

Don't drop oranges into the apple cart, please.

Poetic Stanziel: Happy CCP threw out 10,000 votes.
It had nothing to do with the VOTING PROCESS. Trebor is trying to change the VOTING PROCESS.

His proposal speaks to NOTHING about what to do with the votes of an ousted candidate after the election has been run and the votes counted.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#529 - 2012-09-10 01:40:53 UTC
Seleene wrote:
No, I tend to answer things I'm asked. That you don't like or believe the answers is something I have no control over.

1) In which universe did you believe that this "voting system revamp" would go down well, at all, given the minimum requirement of **** goons?
2) When are you going to rescind the **** goons minimum requirement, and apologize for letting such a bad first system even be put out to the public?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#530 - 2012-09-10 01:40:56 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Seleene wrote:
No, I tend to answer things I'm asked. That you don't like or believe the answers is something I have no control over.

Ok, here's a question! When you guys came up with this "**** goons" voting system, did you do it because you thought it'd rouse the totally-real-and-not-at-all-made-up Silent Pubbie Majority into voting for you, or did you do it because you really just have a problem with goon candidates in and of themselves?

You're looking at it wrong.

The idea is you don't need to rouse the Silent Pubbie Majority, you just need to nerf the Active Goon Blobbers, then you can achieve the desired result without having to do the impossible.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#531 - 2012-09-10 01:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I don't think all the trolling in the thread by the CSM is helping their case.

Disappointing. The CSM is good at typing out their own opinions, communicating those opinions to us ... very bad at discussing their opinions.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#532 - 2012-09-10 01:41:41 UTC
RDevz wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Poetic Stanziel: Happy CCP threw out 10,000 votes.


How does CD-"STV" stop CCP from dismissing someone after the election results have been announced?

Why are you quoting me with that question? I already said I don't think it does in two posts.

There does need to be an acceptable way to deal with that circumstance though, the Mitanni's case should not be repeated. If it's not on the candidate end, something on the voter end then. Perhaps an "emergency preference" where your vote would go to that second guy if and only if your first choice was somehow incapacitated?

Throwing out ideas for the handful of people reading/replying constructively.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#533 - 2012-09-10 01:44:19 UTC
bye seleene....
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#534 - 2012-09-10 01:44:44 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I don't think all the trolling in the thread by the CSM is helping their case.

Disappointing. The CSM is good at typing out their own opinions, communicating those opinions to us ... very bad as discussing their opinions.


They aren't even all that good at the second part. Wasn't that long ago they practically had to be shamed into giving updates as to the progress of the CSM minutes.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#535 - 2012-09-10 01:44:50 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
bye seleene....

LOL. Questions asked, Seleene vanishes.
SavageBastard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#536 - 2012-09-10 01:47:24 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

In the most recent election, for example, almost 25% of the votes were cast for candidates who did not win election to the CSM.



So you're saying that the current CSM election process is 90-100% more representative than any national election in the United States?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#537 - 2012-09-10 01:49:43 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
bye seleene....

Quick, to the tweet machine.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#538 - 2012-09-10 01:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
RDevz wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Poetic Stanziel: Happy CCP threw out 10,000 votes.


How does CD-"STV" stop CCP from dismissing someone after the election results have been announced?

Why are you quoting me with that question? I already said I don't think it does in two posts.

There does need to be an acceptable way to deal with that circumstance though, the Mitanni's case should not be repeated. If it's not on the candidate end, something on the voter end then. Perhaps an "emergency preference" where your vote would go to that second guy if and only if your first choice was somehow incapacitated?

Throwing out ideas for the handful of people reading/replying constructively.

Perhaps the matter of a CSM Candidate Replacement in the event of an elected member's removal could be its own separate thread, that way productive discussion could be had on a legitimate issue without it getting mired in this attempt to meddle with the electoral process. It would come across as an earnest attempt at dialogue instead of being inserted as a distraction from a larger issue. If you want to make the thread on it, I'd be happy to talk about it (and probably support it)
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#539 - 2012-09-10 01:50:52 UTC
I have to say, I admire how Darius III's commitment to not contributing to the CSM at all is so thorough he's even passing up an opportunity to troll goons.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#540 - 2012-09-10 01:54:19 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
I have to say, I admire how Darius III's commitment to not contributing to the CSM at all is so thorough he's even passing up an opportunity to troll goons.

Is he fishing, or what was it?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?