EVE General Discussion

I would think that the definition of "hi-sec" player would be one who isn't / hasn't been out of hi-sec, and doesn't identify with Low-sec/Null-sec.

Well people still whine when they get ganked. Though it seems the big thing to complain about on the forums is ninja salvaging now, or was it can flipping ... hm.

If what you're bitching about is "call James315 a hisec'er", then I'll go there as well: I'd rather call him a hisec'er than the myopic version you call a hisec'er.

my arbitrary bullshit

So how does James 315 identify with anyone outside of hisec? The other part of your definition (has never left hisec) is pretty silly because that just excludes a lot of people without good reason.

TL:DR: CCP has to really give it a lot of thought before doing anything.

Across the board Increases in manufacturing install costs and costs per hour would disproportionally affect newer players, example being the tutorial missions.

A 200k install cost is no big deal to an older player making a month's worth of battleships. It's a much bigger deal to a newer player who's been told to manufacture a civilian shuttle or whatever during the tutorial.

I think there might be a way to resolve this sort of thing though.

Each industry assembly line already has a property that affects what items can be installed on it.
This suggests it would be possible to alter the properties of that assembly line, so that it can produce tech 1 ships, but not tech 2 ships, for example. Or adjust build times for them.
Modules seem to be their own category, but that might be able to be changed.

So, you could have highsec installations which would build tech 2 things at a slower rate, or not at all. maybe.

That would tend to move tech2 production onto war deccable POS, or into lowsec/nullsec, where there'd then be a possibility of there being high value cargoes to intercept. There'd also be a nerf to some tech 2 ship bpo production if they cannot be built in highsec stations. Some bpo owners might use copies to build from, which results in a big drop in production because of the differences in copy/build time, (iirc, it's quicker to build from a bpo than it is to make a single copy of one). This nerf may be undesirable.

Past experiences of the playerbase may come in here though, regarding the ability of players to intercept cargoes in transit. Jump freighters, blockade runners with covert cloaks, and such things, these have already been complained bitterly about by many players, who see these high value cargoes pass through lowsec, and are unable to do anything about it. (such things as jumping to a POS, then warping straight to a highsec gate, not much opportunity to intercept).

So, restricting highsec's ability to produce tech2 items, would risk annoying greatly some tech2 bpo owners, and may not actually provide any increase in high value cargoes to intercept in lowsec. Nobody really benefits if that happened. Awkward.

Those things would need CCP to look at them carefully and make a decision about what to do.


Refining rates are another thing. Altering refining/reprocessing returns has the possibility to re-introduce the insurance isk fountain, by altering the scrap value of ships. If the net insurance payout is higher than the reprocessing rate, then it's better to blow the ship up and introduce new isk out of nowhere, than to reprocess and sell, which merely moves isk around.

There'd also be an effect on the value of lowsec/nullsec minerals. Because POS refining is so terrible and time consuming, it's often better to refine in station. Or if in wormholes, to transport raw minerals through the wormhole into empire space, to refine where you want to sell the minerals. Lowering the refining rate makes the cargo less valuable as a whole, or introduces an intermediate step of refining in a lowsec station, then transporting it, which requires more people, for security.

Scrap reprocessing also has a somewhat annoying tendency for the volume of things to balloon. A ship load of scrap modules becomes 4 or more shiploads of minerals, which introduces a whole lot of expense in moving it around.


There is also the fundamental problem, that moving things around is dull. If an escort is required, they have to be paid, and they have to be enough that nothing happens. I.e. paid to do nothing. While being paid to do nothing is great in RL, in a game it's somewhat dull.


So, altering manufacturing costs and refining/reprocessing rates in highsec, could have effects on new players, some t2 bpo owners, lowsec piracy, wormhole dwellers, and market traders. Not just people that build stuff in highsec.

In addition to this, moving production and refining onto POS has to have the problem of POS being Terrible addressed first.

CCP has to really give it an appropriate amount of thought before doing anything.

So CCP wants to nerf High sec manufacturing , ok do it, if you think mods and ships are expensive now wait to see how much of an increase you will see with this nerf, and to confirm low sec is bleep and will forever be bleep and no amount of incentive will be enough for indy corps and alliances to move their assets to low sec to conduct their manufacurting under the illusion of IDK WTF??? after all this is a litter box and if i dont want i live in a certain part of space i dont have too, that's why i pay subs. i emplor every industirist to bat phone their CSM representative in hopes to find out WTF is CCP thinking about????

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Your income should be less then it is now. That's the heart of it. As an highsec industrialist, you will never be able to reach the heights you could reach in low or nullsec, and if you can, currently, then its a system failure. If you want to stay in highsec for your safe, assured, highsec money, then do it. But don't expect to make as much as the people willing to actually take risks. And no, "I'm a paying subscriber" is not justification for you to get preferential treatment. If I buy a boardgame, that doesn't mean I get to win because its 'my game' and if I do claim something like that, I'm probably 5.

In short: HTFU, this is eve.