EVE General Discussion

Well then, do explain why the warp to 0 was such a nerf to low-sec PvP if it's not the fact they can warp through gates quicker giving gate campers less time to destroy them.

All whine about the same thing over and over yet no one cares about the issues that cause said things to begin with because that would force the whiners to alter their gameplay. And they don't want that. Enter catch 22.

Camping gates or camping stations, amount to the same thing. They're both fixed objects where before warp to 0 it was easy to kill targets. Targets actually managing to get away sounds like a good thing to me, makes you work a bit for the kills.

Im going to be charitable here and assume you arent trolling or being deliberately obtuse, stupid idea i know but hey im just killing time right now.

You might want to reread my post, I'm talking about covering gates as you travel through them on roams, not camping them. You're also still failing to distinguish between a gate camp and a fight which happens to take place on a gate, hint : In lowsec the second is way more common than the first.

My take on it is that gates are a part of the problem though. For both the hunters and the hunted alike. That's why I want to see gates changed, along with the way you find ships (once again, the submarine system idea would be so perfect for EVE) and catch them.

The way I see it, entering a system should be one thing. By removing the gatecamp factor when entering a system you will already create an environment where more people are willing to go to low- and nullsec space.

However, it should be an entirely different story once you are actually in a system. But the problem is again several-fold in this particular bit. Only being able to warp to specific points (unless you create bookmarks). Inability to cancel warp once initiated. And speaking of bookmarks - say if you are not equipped with a cloak. As long as you have a few bookmarks and constantly scan and fly between said marks, you are effectively 100% immune from capture. This is IMO also not too ideal.

Technically each star system is beyond huge in size for a player. Except that said size doesn't really matter because a player cannot utilize the space because of the point-to-point travel system. This method of travel is of course logical because anything else would make it impossible to find and catch another player.

Thus, a rework on how you find ships with your scanners as well as how you get to them would be required. This is why I was so incredibly hooked on that submarine style system that was proposed a while back.

It would take into account things like ship sizes (signatures), a feasible suggestion on how to detect and catch other players regardless of where they were in a star system. On top of that, distance would matter a lot more and it would possibly even open up the possibility of allowing players to alter directions mid-warp and so on. It would not render probes useless as these could still be utilized and used in a nearly identical way that they are used now - except better. Regular ship scanners could also become automated and run at all times (seriously, the 2 second clicking spam is just a beyond horrible design, gameplay wise and user interface wise - CCP you should know better than this), perhaps at the cost of increasing your own presence (active/passive sonar style). Best of all, local channel aka the omnipotent intel channel would have to go if this was to work as intended.

All in all, the amount of freedom that a player would receive as either a hunter or a hunted would increase tremendously and all kinds of factors from the size of your ship to your own player skill would all matter a great deal.

Best of all, you could finally consider eliminating fixed system entry points (at least) and thus eliminating gatecamps.

As to how this would affect low and nullsec? Well, with the very barriers that high-sec dwellers complain about gone it would probably be a bit like floodgates opening up. Gatecamps would not be necessary in the same way anymore. WHEN someone will enter a system would not matter as much, but rather IF someone is in a system.

I am aware that I have written this in a very general way, but a much detailed post on every single issue that I currently see is not something I want to write right now. Specially not with such a huge majority that are against change for issues that they themselves want to see solved. Besides, considering how so much is tied to one an, the post in question would be beyond huge.

Also lived in low for a moment and had the same feeling but then I have to suppose a lot have done the same choice I did, move to Null sec and be free to do whatever, within alliance rules, and stop caring some place where people living in have absolutely no other reason to login than for screwing up with every little guy and his chances to learn doing stuff at that place.

Very few have a real organisation, very few create content for their members, even less open their doors to new players because :paranoia: hits levels beyond any reason and low sec pirates? -it's a legend (not everywhere but yep)
Low sec is a special place for special people and has exactly the amount of players it deserves and they want there.
CCP should simply stop spending time with this getho and make transition from high/null easier.

1. remove low sec gate camps
2. problem with lowsec solved

right.....
I can tell you have a clear understanding of the issues with low sec

The real question is why choose low over NPC null? There really isn't anything unique about lowsec that you can't get in null and more, add that the risk is relatively the same. In the end lowsec is the bastard middle child and needs to be unique instead of trying to balance it within the confines between high and null.

These threads always make me feel as if i'm a hardened survivalist living on the fringes of civilized society, surrounded by bitter bloodthirsty pirates risking my entire livelihood as I valiantly steer my ship through hostile territory. Fact of the matter is that I feel a lot less safe and considerably more exposed whenever I'm in Jita and the numbers agree with me. There are a lot more ships being destroyed in the latter than in the entirety of lowsec combined.

If lowsec is such a dangerous place I wonder where all that danger comes from. Certainly not from those two other pilots that occasionally share a system with me. Lowsec isn't interesting for mining (but when is that ever interesting) but there are certainly activities to partake in that are more profitable in lowsec than in highsec or npc nullsec. Unaffiliated planetary industrialists will find a wide assortment of profitable planets with dense pockets of resources and player owned customs offices with low tax rates.

So really come one come all.

PS Fair warning to all highsec carebears thinking about moving into lowsec. If my prorator sees your indy ship getting too close to my planet i'll shoot you!