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Average Empire faction standings
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Ribaldry
#1 - 2011-10-09 00:30:02 UTC
What is the highest possible average empire standings? Is it possible to get 3, 5, 7+ standings to Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, and Minmatar at the same time?

I've scoured the eveboard standings rankings and only see people with almost no standings but slightly positive or people with 9+ standings to Caldari and -5 with Gallente.

Let's keep Connections out of this for simplicity.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-09 04:00:14 UTC
Well, just remember that Agents, NPC Corporations and Factions look at your standings modified by Social skills.

To answer your question, yes it's possible to get 3, 5, 7+ standings to Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, and Minmatar at the same time. Can even get it higher due to the Epic Arcs. It just takes time.

My Faction standings - Modified and (Base):

Minmatar Republic,.......+5.29..............(+4.11)
Caldari State,................+5.28..............(+4.10)
Gallente Federation.......+5.23..............(+4.04)
Amarr Empire................+5.19..............(+3.99)


These are my current standings due to the 'Plan' which I am still working.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2011-10-09 04:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
It's **possible** to get as high as you want with as many factions as you want .... but it becomes bigtime diminishing returns as you get higher.

Faction cross-standings allocation is a two-steps-forward-one-step-back process. there are detailed tables of all the cross-allocations and it's not exatcly 2:1.

But, very simplistically (based on 2:1), to keep the four main hisec factions in balance you would need to run approximately 8 x the number of missions for each increment in standings. To keep all factions in balance would take heaps, heaps more.

Depending on what you're trying to achieve, an alternative is to try keep most major factions on the sunny side of -2, and then work from corp standings. This is the approach i have taken ... altho I still have a few factions that don;t love me at all.

[EDIT] LOL, I see DMC was crafting a similar response while I was typing :-)

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Goose99
#4 - 2011-10-09 04:13:18 UTC
There are several carebears I know of that has 8+ standings to all 4 major empire factions. At 5+, they stop doing normal storyline missions, only epic arcs once every 3 month, which boosts faction without dropping opposing faction. In theory, you can go as high as you want this way. In practice, between diminishing returns and 3 month limit, it takes a lot of time.
Ribaldry
#5 - 2011-10-09 05:21:41 UTC
I was mainly asking about anchoring POSes so effective standings won't apply to my situation. I've had 7+ unmodified standings before and anchored POSes, but hated having negative standings and wanted more diversity. Currently I have 3.1 average empire standings.

DMC, I tried to find you on eve board to see your standings to no avail but appreciate you posting your standings here. I've also read your repair guide quite a while ago. I've not accepted an encounter mission against any empire faction since, but didn't apply the rest of the guide.

Goose99 wrote:
... epic arcs once every 3 month, which boosts faction without dropping opposing faction

Wow, I didn't know this. That's exactly what I wanted to hear. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs confirms what you're saying. I thought the normal derivation rules applied, but apparently not. I'll be doing that real soon as I already have high corp standings towards 3 of the 5 epic agent corps.

Substantia Nigra wrote:
Faction cross-standings allocation is a two-steps-forward-one-step-back process

Yeah, I'm aware of this but was wondering about how the diminishing returns affect it. Apparently I can bypass the whole diminishing returns issue by doing the epic arcs.

Looks like the answer to my question is epic arcs. Thanks guys.

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Ribaldry
#6 - 2011-10-09 05:28:35 UTC
Couldn't find the answer to this on the wikis, but can you do all 4/5 epic arc missions within the same three months span or can you only do one in a three month period? How do you know when the three months is up? Thanks again.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2011-10-09 07:18:25 UTC
each arc has its own 3/12 timer. I assume, but haven't tested, that it's per-epic-arc and not per-epic-arc-agent ... altho that woul only apply to pirate arcs anyways.

That means you can run the amarr. caldari, gallente, and minmatar all at once ... but you have to wait 3/12 before you can restart any of them.

The timer is not directly visible anywhere that I can find ... but I use the award of the final faction standings boost as my 3/12 time marker. I thought there used to be a timer showing in the journal section, but can't find anything direct now.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Leonard Dukes
Arbitrage Holdings Corporation
#8 - 2011-10-09 15:19:48 UTC
Here's a very thorough write-up from the old forums regarding balanced Faction standings: Linky

Read through the entire thread (it's worth it) for detailed explanations on how derived standings are acquired, what their limitations are, and who the best Factions are to run missions for to achieve these standings (it's not just the main 4).

Also, this was all written before the introduction of Epic Arcs, so you can use it as a guide to get a balanced "starting point" which, if used in conjunction with the Faction Standings Repair Plan, will get you to a suitable jumping-off point to start farming the Epic Arcs to get your balanced standings as high as you like.

For what it's worth, I've calculated that by just using the Level 4 Epic Arcs, and alternating the Sisters of Eve Epic Arc between each Faction's preferred ending, you could get your main-Faction standings from 0.0 to around 9.5 in 2 years. This doesn't include any additional gains from running "The Plan" and also assumes that you could somehow start each Epic Arc with zero standings. Most people will be in a better position to begin such an endeavor, having already achieved *some* form of positive standings.
Ribaldry
#9 - 2011-10-13 03:07:17 UTC
Just finished one of the epic arcs. Confirming that it is indeed 10% base ( 12.5% with Social 5 ) increase in standings and absolutely NO derived standings on any of the others.

The missions were a bit more difficult. The ISK rewards were quite large ( 5-8 mil per mission, even couriers ). I made $201,415,829 in bounties and rewards alone. I don't think the Negotiation skill factors into the rewards since all of the numbers were quite round. There were, however, 2 encounter missions which asked you to shoot other empire factions but the loss on that was minimal and you don't have to kill all of them.

On the flip side, I was hoping the standings gains to be a bit more than 10% base. There are quite a few storyline missions which give almost as much boost such as Shipyard Theft, Covering Your Tracks, Dissidents, Quota Season, Evolution, etc.

Thanks again, all.

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-14 09:38:18 UTC
The epic arcs standings reward is not the same in all cases - it depends on the epic arc and on the path you chose through the arc.
Ribaldry
#11 - 2011-10-15 00:37:45 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
The epic arcs standings reward is not the same in all cases - it depends on the epic arc and on the path you chose through the arc.


Yeah, I noticed that on CCP Dropbear's response on http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1548420.

Also, it seems those epic arc missions count towards your 16 missions for a storyline :)

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2011-10-15 01:00:50 UTC
Ribaldry wrote:
Also, it seems those epic arc missions count towards your 16 missions for a storyline :)


Yeah, about that.... They most certainly do. But they can also be in unfamiliar space and (at least with my dumb luck) seem to have a bias towards low sec SL agents. And while I have no particular aversion to low sec, I do have some reservations about jumping any of my typical high sec mission boats down there on a lark. So... if you care about that sort of thing, count your missions and check your local SL agents.

(This should not be construed as advice to not run the low sec storylines. But you might want to consider your ship and fit.)