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T2 ship models.

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CaleAdaire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#1 - 2012-09-08 20:49:51 UTC
So, stealth bombers recently got reworked so that the hulls look different from the T1 variants. I think this is great because invention would imply that what you get is different than what you started with right? Could this be applied to all the T2 frigates and maybe even all T2 ships in general in later updates?

Trust in God, Have Faith in Fusion.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2 - 2012-09-08 22:28:43 UTC
CaleAdaire wrote:
So, stealth bombers recently got reworked so that the hulls look different from the T1 variants. I think this is great because invention would imply that what you get is different than what you started with right? Could this be applied to all the T2 frigates and maybe even all T2 ships in general in later updates?

It is planned to.

Just going to take time.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-09-08 22:44:44 UTC
The stealth bombers needed to be revamped because of the visible missile launchers.

Other ships won't be reworked to that extent.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#4 - 2012-09-08 22:49:02 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
The stealth bombers needed to be revamped because of the visible missile launchers.

Other ships won't be reworked to that extent.

Not to that extent, most likely.

But they said that they will be making them more differentiated.
CaleAdaire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#5 - 2012-09-09 05:07:56 UTC
I'm not saying to that extent but some visible ship differences would be nice.

Trust in God, Have Faith in Fusion.

Danel Tosh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-09 05:32:07 UTC
well they could start by giving the vagabond its wings back. I dont even fly the ship and im already missing them.
:-(
Vaal Hadren
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-09-09 11:18:56 UTC
Um, there are no T1 bombers. >.>

I for one love the fact that a pilgrim and curse look like a pimped out arbitrator. I love the retribution and vengeance, they don't actually look like punishers or each other. The skins alone and subtle model additions are perfect (for me). You also need the T1 hull to produce the TII variant. TII ships are actually (read: 'thematically') highly modified versions of an actual T1 hull. They're not completely different ships that happen-to-use-same-model-as-random-T1-due-to-developer-laziness at all.

Even if that's the case actually, and it could be, like many things in EVE it's designed in such a way as to be masked by thematic consistency. THAT is very cool.

So I don't see a problem here at all.
RFD commander
Incendiary Lemons
#8 - 2012-09-09 11:48:41 UTC
Vaal Hadren wrote:
Um, there are no T1 bombers. >.>

I for one love the fact that a pilgrim and curse look like a pimped out arbitrator. I love the retribution and vengeance, they don't actually look like punishers or each other. The skins alone and subtle model additions are perfect (for me). You also need the T1 hull to produce the TII variant. TII ships are actually (read: 'thematically') highly modified versions of an actual T1 hull. They're not completely different ships that happen-to-use-same-model-as-random-T1-due-to-developer-laziness at all.

Even if that's the case actually, and it could be, like many things in EVE it's designed in such a way as to be masked by thematic consistency. THAT is very cool.

So I don't see a problem here at all.

The Stealth bombers still look like their T1 hull variants, you can tell what frigate they evolved from without looking at the description. The same should be applied to all T2 ships, model changes that share the general look and feel of the Tech 1 hulls yet at the same time are evidently not the same ship would be brilliant.
Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#9 - 2012-09-09 16:25:30 UTC
I'd liek for models to be more differentiated aswell.

However, I'd also like to be possible to buy or produce different paint schemes once they're done remodelling them.
Vaal Hadren
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-09-09 21:29:17 UTC
RFD commander wrote:
The Stealth bombers still look like their T1 hull variants, you can tell what frigate they evolved from without looking at the description. The same should be applied to all T2 ships, model changes that share the general look and feel of the Tech 1 hulls yet at the same time are evidently not the same ship would be brilliant.


Um, what? They still look like their T1 hull variants?

Get ingame and look at an Inquisitor (which is about to become a logistics frigate btw) and then have a look at a Purifier.

There is (now) NO relation whatsoever between the two.

I kinda get the impression that you're Caldari pilots and this is basically an "Our HAC's look terrible could we please get some cooler cruisers?"

I sympathise, strongly. I'd support an 'ugly ship overhaul' project for EVE. But you're threatening to take away the vengeance, the curse, the pilgrim and so on - forever - for some unknown new model(s) you assume we'll immediately prefer.

Some of us fly sexy ships already.

Please leave them alone.

Look, you know that cringe worthy yet kinda addictive show 'Pimp My Ride' where everyone screams at the camera all the time? That's what we have now (without the screaming). Punisher goes in, Vengeance comes out. It's a body kit and spray job with electronics from another world; but it's the same boat. What you guys seem to be asking for is a chick brings a Mustang to Exhibit, and his toothless homeboys, after beating the crap out of it with sledgehammers, simply bin it and give her a Veyron. Go, ingame, look Inquisitor, look Purifier. Come back.

Kestrel to Manticore - yeah I can see what you're saying (and that's Caldari, interesting, lol). Inquisitor to Purifier are utterly alien to one another though. I don't want that becoming the norm regarding TII. It's not a 'variant' of an Inquisitor it's a completely different ship.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2012-09-09 22:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Vaal Hadren wrote:
RFD commander wrote:
The Stealth bombers still look like their T1 hull variants, you can tell what frigate they evolved from without looking at the description. The same should be applied to all T2 ships, model changes that share the general look and feel of the Tech 1 hulls yet at the same time are evidently not the same ship would be brilliant.


Um, what? They still look like their T1 hull variants?

Get ingame and look at an Inquisitor (which is about to become a logistics frigate btw) and then have a look at a Purifier.

There is (now) NO relation whatsoever between the two.



They have a very similar basic shape. The relation is clear to anyone who works in art or design.
The Purifier is just an Inquisitor with the missile racks and bigger engines.



Also... logistics, really? CCP, why?
Vaal Hadren
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-09-10 00:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaal Hadren
Corina Jarr wrote:
They have a very similar basic shape. The relation is clear to anyone who works in art or design.
The Purifier is just an Inquisitor with the missile racks and bigger engines.


Please, that's like saying an Armageddon is just an Omen with a longer body and a thinner ass. Their aesthetic relationship is that they are both iconically Amarrian yet they remain utterly distinct hulls.

Quote:
Also... logistics, really? CCP, why?


Yes. . indeed :\

Though that's a rant for another topic (and there is one, check the sticky's) I think it's a travesty that they're using the Inquisitor and not the still seemingly ad hoc Post-Inferno Tormentor for such a role. Amarr is to have no T1 rocket frig, and thus, no logical stepping stone toward Khanid specialisation for new Amarrian players (or Khanid specialised FW toons for that matter, or early Caldari or even Minmatar cross trainers to Amarr). Inquisitor always sucked of course, but I'm sure a lot more of us would prefer to see it unsucked and become a dedicated rocket frig competing toe to toe with Caldari T1 frigate equivs than thrown into the dustbin forever.

Tormentor would make a better logistics frig if they're doing that anyway - I mean, it's really got no history. Inquisitor was always one of those 'I wish it was good' frigs. A logistics role won't deliver that.

=(
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#13 - 2012-09-10 10:09:07 UTC
Quote:
I kinda get the impression that you're Caldari pilots and this is basically an "Our HAC's look terrible could we please get some cooler cruisers?"



Chicken with suitcase! Why did they do that to us? Why?
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#14 - 2012-09-10 13:19:35 UTC
This would be good if only CCP didn't go backwards on some ships already. Vaga anybody?

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Matthius Carole
Rifterlings
#15 - 2012-09-10 16:00:43 UTC
Honestly, as cool as it would be, I think CCP has enough work right now integrating Dust and completely changing ships over to the new role system. I think the only ship re-skins we'll end up seeing are for ships that get rebalanced and no longer look appropriate, (additional hardpoints for example).
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-09-10 16:37:44 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Vaga anybody?

I want my wings back.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-09-10 16:58:34 UTC
The new manticore looks AWESOME!!!

However, like another player stated above, they're not so different that having used a t1 hull to create one would seem far fetched.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Kestrel2.jpg



While is does look different than the manticore, you can still tell that they are brothers...

I for one would love to see this kind of conversion will all ships.

I mean...The Golem...how awesome would that look?????
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#18 - 2012-09-10 21:10:25 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Vaga anybody?

I want my wings back.

On the way.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-09-10 23:00:50 UTC
some t2 ships have different models, look at the amarr industrial and transport ship, the bestower has less engines then the t2 variant. not a huge change but you can see it.