EVE General Discussion

I think low sec would be more interesting and fun if they removed local and had alternate ways to get in. No one wants to fly into a system and risk getting there ship blown up cause a bunch of jack asses sitting on a gate.

I agree with this so much. I hang in low because of that identity. Yet, I still believe it's mainly an attitude problem that causes all this distress about lowsec. First off, it becomes a hell of a lot safer with friends, boomarks and eyes everywhere, and a proper playstyle for this environment. I agree the gradient towards lowsec isn't smooth, but we mainly cause this ourselves. Lowsec wouldn't be lowsec without pirates and villainy, but as it stands there is little to no reason to subject yourself to it's dangers when you could be doing the same thing in null for better rewards. I'd like to see gameplay elements that lets players influence the security of any lowsec system apart from corporate standing agreements and Factional Warfare. Let players influence whether a system becomes a prosperous industrial zone plagued by the occasional solo pirate, or a festering hive of criminal scum and illegal trade.

It's not only that.

I've seen plenty of people in several lowsec systems over the past years.

Not only pirates, but also "carebears". People doing industrial stuff, running lvl5s,
hidden anomalies, static ones, etc. (guess it's not a carebear anymore if it's in lowsec ^_^)

I've also seen plenty of lowsec systems being empty. For hours. Nobody cares going there.
The reason can't be that it's not worth it, because these systems also had sites to run ...
they had belts to mine ... and there were no pirates in there.


So far, it really seems that CCP ignores the fact that plenty of people don't go to lowsec
because they perceive it as a dangerous place. They are afraid of losing ships/stuff.


I don't deny that gatecamps play their part of keeping highseccers out of lowsec,
but the bigger reason seems to be the - actually delusional - idea that lowsec is dangerous
and that one will die there, rather sooner than later. This idea just stems from their inability
to understand how to defend themselves ... and it seems that nobody is teaching it.

I'm a big fan of the sentry changes CCP talked about, btw ... but i'm sure they'll back off,
because of all the whiners who just whine for their own sake, ignoring the long term benefits.


Buffing lowsec/nerfing highsec won't change anything ... as it hasn't before.


To get more people to lowsec, i believe, CCP should teach noobs how to survive there and that it's not as bad
as people believe it is. A big part in this also comes from the carebears talking to noobs, telling them
"You don't want to go there because pirates will kill you.", "it's dangerous, stay out", etc etc.


I've often noticed people saying this ... and this is not only sad, but also ruins potential fun for many who'll
- just because of these words - won't just head out to lowsec because they are afraid.


I believe that, if CCP wants people to go to lowsec, they have to teach them not to be afraid and make it
actually easier for noobs to kill people at gates/stations. See the talked about sentry changes.

Exactly it would not change anything other than pissing some people off.

I've seen empty systems there as well, but also have run into gate camps.

I don't think teaching people how to survive there is going to help much, it'll help, but not much.

A lot of high-sec people do solo activities, which is not going to help in low-sec.

Missions in low-sec are a waste of time as a lost ship far outweighs the mission reward and not only do you risk the ship you risk the standing loss for not completing the mission.

Gate camps are a major factor keeping people out but it's not just that it's the pirate mentality as well.



I really can't see a way to improve low-sec without making it safer. Which the low-sec inhabitants understandably don't want and it's probably why CCP have largely ignored the problems there. But a lot of those problems stem from the way the inhabitants play the game. Making high-sec worse and low-sec better will just make people leave. Because we're not just talking about game mechanics but also play styles.

Removing sentries and allowing insta locking frigs to tackle anything, will just cause less people to go to low. Gate camps is one thing that keeps people from going there.

This is what I would want to see happen to low and some random ideas.

-Remove GCC
-Remove Sec loss in low
-Remove static asteroid belts and replace with gas clouds.
-Create static combat anomalies, similar to the titan event(I don't remember what system it's in).
-Increase spawn rates of Grav sites, as well as other explo sites.
-Allow corpses to be biomassed to give components for implant production
-Allow implant's to be manufactured only in lowsec
-Create NPC drug cartel corps.
--Have missions to improve sec status
--Add rewards like Booster BPCs, Ships, mods, and implant BPCs from cartels
--Add NPC's that guard gates and stations and remove sentries.
---Your standings with the cartel effect if they will aggres you or not

Suppose low had CONCORD. Like, super delayed, destroyable CONCORD. Police chases, anyone?

My idea for improving the game and the forums would be to remove james 315

But on Tranquility that noob can just jump into lowsec and not worry about pirates, because the gates are empty.

Unless he/she listened to clueless bears, and starts imagining evil pirates on every gate.

Solstice got it right, these perceived problems of lowsec are purely psychological.

Fear, stops you from living.

I agree with this. In fact, this describes the entirety of my lowsec experience so far. Unless I'm actually looking for that experience, I see no real reason to head out there.

As such, I strongly disagree with the original poster on anything relating to "warp to 0" or sentry guns. It takes a very blind eye to believe that you will get more people into lowsec by actually making it MORE risky to even try to warp there.

Anything at all that makes killing unwilling or unprepared ships easier will simply not yield a more target rich environment, which really should be the thing that those desiring more PvP would want. Surely it is a minority that actually LIKE pvp consisting of web surfing at a gate until something pops through to lock onto, then repeating every half hour or more.

Now that said, I don't completely disagree with the OP. There should be a darn good reason to go to lowsec, and mining is a good example of one that would work soundly. All it would take is to make some minerals available only there(or there and null, I see little difference in total effect, they are both fully PvP enabled areas), AND to make blueprint recipes require enough of these minerals that trips to lowsec would be mandatory to make things of significance.