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[Proposal] Remove AFK cloaking

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Azrael Dinn
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#1 - 2012-09-08 12:07:53 UTC
Topic says it all.

Why:

1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are

2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game

I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.


Now lets hear the whines next.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Arduemont
The State of War.
#2 - 2012-09-08 18:05:21 UTC
There is a search function on this forum. Try looking up how often this has come up before starting a new one, otherwise we end up saying the same things as before over and over.

Just go back and read the old threads (all 30 or so of them in which this gets shot down).

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#3 - 2012-09-08 22:32:24 UTC
Can you come up with a way to do this (removing afk cloaking) that does not hurt active cloakers?


So far no one has.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-10 01:57:54 UTC
so i decided to try this "afk cloaking thing" that people clearly think is an exploit so i figure i'l get rich doing it.
I set my alarm to wake up right after downtime and undock from jita in a stealth bomber with nothing but a cloak eagerly awaiting isk and rage mails saying why they think I am cheating or a bad person.

so i warp to a safe and cloak then go back to bed, i woke up with no mails or isk =( so i guess i have to stay there longer
I left my computer on till downtime again, didn't touch anything other then chat a bit in corp chat.
nothing happened even the next day which i did it again. there seems to be no exploit or issue


therefore, afk cloaking isn't a problem.
Lady Hanguko
Koho Exploitation Corporation
#5 - 2012-09-10 07:44:04 UTC
NO, no, and no. Ever hear of psychological warfare? well, just cause u never encountered it, doesn't mean its not an effective tactic. Grab the enemy by the balls, squeeze REAAAL tight... and then u put a cherry on a cake, and put a few cloaked ships afk, in their remaining HQ systems.... OH yeah, i can hear their tears in the cold vacuum of space.

Bad idea, to deny that.
Azrael Dinn
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#6 - 2012-09-10 08:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
Lady Hanguko wrote:
NO, no, and no. Ever hear of psychological warfare? well, just cause u never encountered it, doesn't mean its not an effective tactic. Grab the enemy by the balls, squeeze REAAAL tight... and then u put a cherry on a cake, and put a few cloaked ships afk, in their remaining HQ systems.... OH yeah, i can hear their tears in the cold vacuum of space.

Bad idea, to deny that.


Yes I have and I want that part of the gameplay be active and not "have fun with my alt, I'll go make isks elsewhere while you look at my alt there."

See now the key word: Active gameplay. Which seems to be something CCP also likes.

Going AFK is not active gameplay. I don't mind the cloakers or the people who cloak up and do psychological warfare. It's a real fun part of the game but I HATE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PLAYING THE GAME BUT ARE STILL PLAYING THE GAME even though they can be at the mall buying porn films or something else.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Lady Hanguko
Koho Exploitation Corporation
#7 - 2012-09-10 08:57:38 UTC
Sup


Here my reason why id argue its legit with regards to "active gameplay" . The Corp that is being greefed this way, deserves it. Its a valid mechanic. They allowed them self to be in such a situation. It wouldn't be fair for the attacker to "suffer" boredom in afk psycho-war. An attacker by that point, has the right to make an enemy suffer, while retaining the flexibility of time to go about their life, and leaving afk boats to discourage the enemy. That right was earned by superior balls&tactics, whatever else to do that.

Truth is, there are more reasons too. For example, ure in 0 sec, and gate is being camped on both sides. U ether a hunter, an explorer, or maybe even a daring trader in a cloaked Indy. The game shouldn't force u to be online for next 50 years the gate be camped. U should be able to go afk, and return later to see if ur chases to make a ran for it, has improved.

There are more there it came from.
On the other hand, i do agree that cloak needs an effective counter, a way decloak an enemy, some other way then drone swarm, something more dependable. Maybe a new anti-cloak probe, or even a special ship that specializes in anti-recon activities... donno.

0/
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-09-10 09:42:34 UTC
If AFK is the problem because they are not playing while "playing" then
Add fuel needs to drones so people can't AFK missions
Add fuel needs to mining lasers so people can't AFK mine
Add fees to sit in stations so people can't AFK in station
And add an auto log timer so that if you are AFK for more than 15 min you get logged out.
That should suitably counter all AFK activities

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#9 - 2012-09-10 11:23:13 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
Topic says it all.

Why:

1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are

2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game

I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.


Now lets hear the whines next.


I think you've provided enough whines for this thread already Azrael.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#10 - 2012-09-10 15:09:28 UTC

Any "solution" to afk cloaking needs to be careful not to hurt standard cloak operations....

A cloak is a valid tool for hiding from hostiles, for going afk for several minutes to answer the phone, for . . ..

Essentially, balancing it would be very hard and difficult to do!!!!

Add to this, afk cloaking is the only valid manner to counter the nearly-omniscient local chat that is used as an intel tool. Addressing AFK cloaking without addressing "local chat" is like banning legal gun ownership without addressing the high crime rate, or demanding abstinence only education without addressing teen pregnancy, or banning abortion without addressing incest, ****, or legitimate medical concerns...
Davon Mandra'thin
Consultech Intermediary Services
#11 - 2012-09-10 15:44:17 UTC
My god, is this arguement really going on again?

Just give it up. There is nothing wrong with AFK cloakies. If they're afk then they can't hurt you, if they're not then they would suffer fromt he stupid ideas people come up with the hurt the AFK ones.

Just give it up. There is nothing wrong with AFK cloakies.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-10 18:05:05 UTC
Did you know that in almost a decade of EVE Online, not a single person has died to an AFK cloaker?

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Belshazzar Babylon
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-09-11 01:19:28 UTC
[Proposal] do not allow new post with the words AFK Cloaker in the title or opening post.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#14 - 2012-09-11 02:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
CCP should provide star trek tricorder scanning for life signs in front of the monitor. If they are none the cloak would disengage automatically.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#15 - 2012-09-11 03:34:13 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
CCP should provide star trek tricorder scanning for life signs in front of the monitor. If they are none the cloak would disengage automatically.

They have those now... sort off.

Nowhere near as compact and multipurpose.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#16 - 2012-09-11 13:00:07 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
Topic says it all.

Why:

1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are

2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game

I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.


Now lets hear the whines next.


Oh boy it's another nullbear cry thread.

If you want the rewards of nullsec, deal with the risks, baby.

Requiring fuel or cap usage would destroy legitimate, active cloaking and extended recon deployments. It's a terrible idea, simply awful.

PS: Here's a list of things AFK cloakers have never, and can never, do:
Make a single isk
Provide intel for their fleet
Kill someone
Shut down a system or in any other way prevent you from doing whatever you want

Take your battered psyche and go back to hello kitty online if the mere presence of another player scares you so bad
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#17 - 2012-09-11 15:47:05 UTC
No.

While they are cloaked and AFK, they can't hurt you. Why? Because they are AFK.

Show us on the doll where the bad AFK cloaker touched you.

HTFU or GTFO.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-09-11 16:04:31 UTC
these AFK cloaker whiner threads are a staple of eve-o. Every post bashing the notion just gives birth to new fanatic illogical posters on both sides. And there are those like me, who get in just because I like the sound of my own voice... err typing. :)
Praxis Astra
0.0 Axis Fleet
Stealth Syndicate
#19 - 2012-09-11 16:10:42 UTC
OK: If someone has something in this game that you don't have that you consider some kind of unfair advantage, the answer isn't to try to get it taken from them. The answer is to go for that thing yourself.

Big smile

Praxis Astra Master of Assassins and Punctuality http://heartsandmindsalliance.org
Azrael Dinn
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#20 - 2012-09-13 08:23:48 UTC
Praxis Astra wrote:
OK: If someone has something in this game that you don't have that you consider some kind of unfair advantage, the answer isn't to try to get it taken from them. The answer is to go for that thing yourself.

Big smile


I'm doing it all the time and still I think it's !"#¤%!"#¤% retarted that no one has a chance to get me while doing it.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
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