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Oh and as to how to get players to vote, three things:
First: Send everyone in Game an Evemail that it's time to vote
Second: Annoy people reminding them it's time to vote. (Splash updates on the loading screen, propoganda videos etc.)
Third: Hold the Election.

I'm going to write a law that says 'All people called Hans Jagerblitzen must be killed on sight'.

Sure, you happen to be the only person effected by this law but it isn't targetted at you because some other person could change their name to Hans Jagerblitzen.

I'm glad this has sparked a lively discussion, and I hope it continues to evolve. To clarify one point, election reform is something the CSM has been discussing for years, and I have taken the point role in pushing the discussion forward (as was discussed at the May 2012 summit).


The preferred candidate of those voters got elected, so their vote was not wasted -- exactly the same result as under the current system.

And IIRC, the noted political philosopher T.H.E. Mittani was one of the people who observed, at the December 2011 CSM Summit, that pure STV would be "heaven for the powerblocks" and "would basically allow them to dictate every single seat on the CSM".

CD-STV is an attempt to address former Chairman Mittani's concerns.

Permitting overvotes to transfer would automatically optimize the voting power of large, organized blocs without any risk of miscalculation, giving them even more voting power than they currently enjoy under the present system. They can still do it if they want (using the tools that were developed for vote tracking in recent elections), but with a certain element of uncertainty. This still gives them a significant edge over smaller groups who cannot effectively track votes for their candidates.

Also keep in mind that the purpose of the CSM elections to elect a council of representatives who can give CCP the best possible advice, and this is not exactly the same goal as in a RL election. Having multiple essentially identical voices on the CSM isn't optimal, which is likely one reason the CFC, who could have easily placed 2 or even 3 candidates into the top 7 in the last election, instead chose to concentrate their votes on a single candidate.

Under CD-STV, the large organized blocs are no worse off; they maintain their voting power, and can still use their information advantage to split votes if they so desire. The major differences in outcome vs. the current system will be likely be seen in slots 10-14.

PS: If the candidates in the previous election would care to let me know what their preferred alternate representatives were, I would be happy to update the simulator to reflect these. For the record, mine would have been: Seleene, Hans, Two Step, Meissa, Alek, leboe and corebloodbrothers.

Eminiently Qualified Candidate = The Mittani
Random Shirtlord Running A Vanity Campaign = Kelduum

I'd hope The Mittani makes it onto the CSM every day of the week. We should be limiting the Kelduum vote, not The Mittani vote.

Trebor... Is this all you have to show for your time on the CSM? Seriously?

Go do your job. Jesus.

1) Citation needed.
2) So you're taking today's system, which has which problem with it again? ... and you're switching it over to a system which is gameable, with a modification which makes it even more gameable?

Okay then.

So far Trebor is not responding to any of this ... why is he so willing to let you take all the heat?

You need to stop responding, and let the man with the plan step up to defend his voting scheme.

In other words: allowing an accurate, fair vote would help those who would be elected by an accurate, fair vote. As the people want something that you don't want, we cannot allow that.

Fortunately, that would not happen, because it's only complete ignorance that gets Kelduum any votes. This term of his on the CSM has made that more than clear. The dude is ineffective and useless at his "job" on the CSM.

You have taken the point role? Haha. Why you letting poor Hans take all the heat in this discussion thread then? By page three, people forgot you wrote the original post, since only Hans is "defending" it.

You wrote it, you defend it. Man up, and stop letting your CSM-mate take all the heat.