Jita Park Speakers Corner

Because he's an unperson.

now let's not throw Trebor under a bus because this thread backfired!

Unless you have a vote on electoral reform all you really know is a couple of people want electoral reform really loudly.



Again I'll say, if you don't have the resources to do electoral reform properly, don't do it at all.

"Trebor's proposal" is specifically presented as a CSM suggestion:



Could we get some clarity on if Trebor was wrong to imply this was CSM backed or if the rest of the CSM actually supports it? Given the clear wording of his post, your statements that "this is just Trebor's proposal!" means one of you is being deceptive.

arghy as a csm chair would be cool because he'd be the only csm member ever detained for running up and down an airplane aisle naked

You don't see it as taking flak because you don't really care about your voters.

There's no point in attacking Trebor as a person because one only attacks when they don't have an argument. That isn't the case since none of you can do any of the things that you promised to do.

Read that again. You have not delivered. You are the do-nothing CSM. You've contributed nothing of note and you have failed in representing us. You and your fellow CSM representatives are failures.

This isn't classified as an attack because it's truth. This thread is proof that you are the do-nothing CSM. A waste of our faith and our time.

Damn, son.

We need to have a serious discussion about the in game font.

…but again, that's pretty much unavoidable.

The thing is, almost all standard voting systems are meant to elect one candidate, and pretty much all the mechanisms in elections these days revolve around turning that single vote into a ranking (usually by counting who got the one vote the most) or some kind of proportional distribution. The reason STV is so handy is because it is in and of itself a ranking system that is also a single vote (for that proportion-counting part), so you get the bit you wanted in the end for free…

…except that ranking is inherently more complicated than voting for one thing. The CSM is a ranked body; the difficulties of ranking are thus inherent and inescapable so the only question is how flawed you want it to be. Anyway, the standard way of simplifying STV is to reduce the number of ranking slots. Once you get down to two or three, it's not particularly difficult at all on either end of the process. Likewise, there are simplifications that can be done in the counting process — whether or not to do a full recount between rounds or not — that reduce the work load on that end.

Picking three slots isn't much more effort than picking one, and the proposed system still requires you to understand both the candidate you're voting for and the candidate s/he is “voting” for with the transfer, so the one thing that really keeps people from voting — reading up on the candidates — is still there. Those who are interested in voting to begin with will not be all that deterred if they have to pick their top three rather than just their top one (and the entire point — that you vote is much less likely to be wasted — is still there and is still a strong argument to pull new voters in).

I asked why they felt it targeted the CFC in particular and not "whichever group in the game has the most organized power". In other words, if your worst nightmare came true and Kelduum metagamed EVE University into the largest, most organized player entity in the game, how would Trebor's proposal treat EVE Uni any different than the CFC?