Jita Park Speakers Corner

You know that's not fair. In that theoretical system, active players with a vested interest in the game would get someone who represents them to make decisions about their game for them.

You know that can't possibly work.

As representatives of the Community and our collective interests, instead of a implementing something stupid like reforming a simple voting policy can we put our effort into a system where we can reject the decisions of the CSM. Poor decisions such as this one?

The idea of removing the long standing democratic tradition of one man one vote (or in this case 1 account one vote) is childish and a clear grab of implementing a voting structure that can be manipulated by those wishing to ignore votes for personal gain.

I am ashamed that the standing CSM would feel they have a right to degrade my vote, and I am applaud that CCP would consider this as anything less then a desperate attempt to illegitimate a large portion of the PAYING user-group.

You mean how it seems like half the CSM minutes are related to the election/Mittens in some form? That meeting took place months ago. So clearly this has been being kicked around for months.

So you've all had a chat about it, and none of you thought this was a gameable as all hell mechanic? Or did you avoid answering that question for a reason?

And given the vehemence with which you guys spent making sure you discussed, in great detail, how you could kick someone off the CSM team makes me dubious as to your claim of how little time has been spent on drafting this suggestion.


So you're going to make sure Trebor catches all the flak for this one, and you'll swivel your cape to catch the most wind, despite the fact you came in guns blazing to defend the thread initially?

Okay, then.

Ask Frying Doom about how to do this, he's been harping on and on about how this is the only solution.

To be fair that's one thing he's been right about (on its own, anyway)

TL:DR - Changing the voting system to trivialize votes will just anger the people that are invested in making the game better and insure we affect the game more. CSM will be shuffled, and it will be made up of people who care about fixing the game rather than fixing and election.

Alright, so the CSM as a whole has decided to pitch an idea to some of the most devious, intelligent, and outright evil minds in the gaming world. They want to "adapt the voting system to get better representation" or so is the spirit of the idea, but they do so poorly. You've seen throughout the past 5 or so pages that everyone that plays eve with any real desire to influence the game will find a way to influence it. Within minutes of this post diplomats and strategists were already thinking of ways to make this work to their advantage. However, instead of just gaming the system, since you can be punished for doing so now, they chose to reveal the logical flaws in this system. Yet these same individuals "the concerned" are the ones that will be ignored in this new system of voting unless we game it, and it's more than mildly offensive that a "meet this quota and it doesn’t matter" system was even concocted.

This system will make it so that we as a whole must endeavor to do so in a new and creative way but rest assured, as these same gamers represent the most "concerned" individuals we will game you. The system will be explained, and the holes will be found, as they already have been. Then the diplomats, because those actually exist in this game, will sit down together and figure out how to make the same people that the CSM is so against getting elected take their jobs then surprisingly do them better.

I promise if this goes through it wont be the end of Eve, it wont be a 'change for the better" instead it will just be a further reflection that the b******* individuals are simply too lazy to actually vote, and the ones that want to will do so, but considering how the CSM tried to game us, it's only fair that we return the favor. Really sit down, do some actual work on something that affects the game and not the seat of prestige that you all currently hold. You want to know what the concerns are of the player base, read the forums, hell use local in system to find out. Communicate, plan, evaluate, test, re-evaluate, and release. That's the process, it's not hard. This is the communication, this system is terrible because it trivializes players, and is just as easy as any to game.

I don't even see this as "taking flak" , we're all adults here and I haven't heard any of you attacking Trebor as a person, only discussing some valid criticism about one proposal.

With such motions as "i don't think i'm getting enough sex" and "hey guys what do you think of my homework"

He's not taking flak personally, yet, because it was published as a CSM-wide publication. In fact, it's in the very wording of the first posts.

Now you're pointing at Trebor and saying "it wasn't the CSM, it was his idea!" because there's a bit of a backlash because it's about as gameable as most CCP-induced game mechanics the past few years. That's you saying "don't hurt me/us, hurt him instead!"