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Ship Revision Idea

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Remnant Madeveda
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-09-08 14:41:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Remnant Madeveda
You know, as I've been messing around with ship builds lately I've encountered something that was interesting, there are no ships which offer bonuses to smart bombs. We have ships for every other weapon platform, but nothing for people that enjoy using cap sapping, disco creating, Smartbombs. To this I propose in the up and coming ship changes there should be a ship cruiser level or higher, that specializes in the use of smartbombs.

The thought process behind this is adding an interesting dynamic in fleet warfare, making a new and possibly amusing way to spend time grinding out missions, and hey why not it's been neglected. I realize that there are many more important changes that need to be made in Eve, POS Changes, Null - High sec balance issues, and evidently CSM election methods Ugh, but I think for the people out there who enjoy using smart bombs, this could be something interesting.

Now, let the discussions begin.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-08 14:44:07 UTC
Smart bombs are such a niche system that any hull with a bonus to them would simply be a wasted hull bonus 99% of the time.

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Remnant Madeveda
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-09-08 14:45:35 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Smart bombs are such a niche system that any hull with a bonus to them would simply be a wasted hull bonus 99% of the time.


It could be such, but I can also see a good niche for it in small gang warfare, strange blops uses for it, and like I said something amusing to rat in if nothing else.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-08 14:52:27 UTC
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT !
I wonder why NOBODY ever noticed that before !
Randomize All
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-09-08 15:04:05 UTC
There is no dedicated suicide ganking hull at all in fact.
Funny because they keep telling us it's a valid profession with every nerf they apply to it without ever giving it a boost ever not even once.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-09-08 15:06:42 UTC
Yes, I want to jump in the middle of a gang light up my smarties and kill everything around me before they can do whatever.

Yes please Lol

brb
Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-09-08 15:10:24 UTC
Randomize All wrote:
There is no dedicated suicide ganking hull at all in fact.
Funny because they keep telling us it's a valid profession with every nerf they apply to it without ever giving it a boost ever not even once.

Confirming destroyers and 3^ BCs are not some of the best suicide ganking hulls ever

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Randomize All
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-09-08 15:28:33 UTC
Lysanne Reqetta wrote:
Randomize All wrote:
There is no dedicated suicide ganking hull at all in fact.
Funny because they keep telling us it's a valid profession with every nerf they apply to it without ever giving it a boost ever not even once.

Confirming destroyers and 3^ BCs are not some of the best suicide ganking hulls ever

Would you like to read the words you responded to before responding to them?
Take another whack at it, see what you come up with.
Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-09-08 16:27:14 UTC
Randomize All wrote:
Would you like to read the words you responded to before responding to them?
Take another whack at it, see what you come up with.

Okay. Let's see.

Quote:
There is no dedicated suicide ganking hull at all in fact.

Tornado is a dedicated gank hull, at least to the extent that any ship in EVE can be said to be "dedicated" (the philosophy being, so I am told, that any ship can do anything, there's just no guarantee it won't be **** at it).

Quote:
Funny because they keep telling us it's a valid profession with every nerf they apply to it without ever giving it a boost ever not even once.

It's a valid profession, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need balancing. Incursions are a valid profession, but when they started out, they were too much reward for too little risk. They got nerfed. Same is now happening to ganking. Someone (Greyscale or Soundwave IIRC) said that CCP sees suicide ganking as too cheap and easy for the amount of damage it does. That means it needs nerfing. Not too much, obviously, but anything being too easy for its reward is bad, and if that applies to suicide ganking, then something needs to be done.

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#10 - 2012-09-08 16:38:02 UTC
Hi,

It's a nice idea but this thread does belong in Features and Ideas so I've had to move it.

Cleaned the thread up a little bit too.

Fly safe!

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Remnant Madeveda
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-09-08 17:03:39 UTC
Well at least it may get looked at by the people who actually do the designs here. This may well be a gank ship but hey, it's a fun ship concept. Besides, suicide ganking isn't really going to change with this ship concept, it will just add another dynamic to something that some players enjoy.

I mean I remember reading the entire CSM minutes released over the summer, yes I was bored, and they were talking about making the Typhoon into a missile platform? Why? I mean yeah the minmatar don't have one, but seriously if we wanted one we'd be Caldari.

I'll even take the suggestion one step further, you don't have to make a full hull for the bonuses, just create a rig that gives bonuses for smartbombs. I'll find a ship to fit them, but they are just a little lackluster and under-used. Maybe make a damage mod rig, or a range increase mod, or a cycle speed decrease mod. Essentially why not just make it like other weapon platforms that exist in game. Yes they aren't going to be the new win doctrine, but nothing is supposed to be. They will be utilized, and potentially add fun for players that like smart bombs.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#12 - 2012-09-08 19:36:19 UTC
Ya know, The Syndicate is on bad terms with the Gallente. A faction ship with a smartbomb, booster, and damage bonus would be interesting. No drone bay; expensive... pirate ship expensive. Something design to be an anti drone ship.
Remnant Madeveda
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-09-08 19:38:29 UTC
Obsidiana wrote:
Ya know, The Syndicate is on bad terms with the Gallente. A faction ship with a smartbomb, booster, and damage bonus would be interesting. No drone bay; expensive... pirate ship expensive. Something design to be an anti drone ship.


Makes sense to me, and furhter it sort of makes sense lore-wise. Get on it CCP! Big smile
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#14 - 2012-09-08 20:01:09 UTC
For the damage bonus, maybe 100% damage to 4 hybrid turrets. That also gives you 4 high slots for a smartbomb of each damage type. Not a lot of damage, but combined with boosters it could be OP. >:P Give it even mid/low slots so it can shield or armor; boosters work for either, so should the slots.
Remnant Madeveda
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-09-09 11:31:29 UTC
I'd honestly say the damage bonus would read better 25% to Hybrid Turrets, 25% to Smartbombs, and 2% to range per level of Gallente shiptype.
Randomize All
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-09-10 15:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Randomize All
Lysanne Reqetta wrote:
Randomize All wrote:
Would you like to read the words you responded to before responding to them?
Take another whack at it, see what you come up with.

Okay. Let's see.

Quote:
There is no dedicated suicide ganking hull at all in fact.

Tornado is a dedicated gank hull


Wrong at first point. Should I read the rest? I think not. Let's deal immediately with your bizarre assertion.

Should I copypasta the Tornado ship description so you can see what it says?

Quote:
The Tornado is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit large (Battleship-grade) weapons.

Traits
Battlecruisers skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire.
5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff.

Role Bonus:
95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Projectile Turrets.
50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Projectile Turrets.

Development
In YC 113 Republic Security Services learned the Amarr Empire was building a new battlecruiser capable of supporting battleship-class weapons. Determined to not lose their technological edge to their adversaries, Republic Fleet commissioned Boundless Creation to construct a gunboat to match.

What they designed was the Tornado. Developed in record time and total secrecy, the Tornado is a testament to Minmatar engineering. Modeled loosely off of flying-wing designs of ancient planetary bombers, the Tornado supports multiple large projectile turrets, dealing massive damage while maintaining a small signature radius.


See if you can see some words in there that allude to it being a DEDICATED SUICIDE GANKING VESSEL as you claim.

That's right, you can't.


As further indication, we know from tiericide that there would be no dedicated suicide ganking vessel engineered into a single racial line.




Would you like a THIRD attempt? And this time, no mashing your face on the keyboard to churn out random thoughts.
Sit, breathe. Consider. Then act.

Stop stop stop....

I can see already you're trying to think up a smart alec reply that pretends you are somehow right when there is no actual way you can be. I know it's considered good form to do that on the internet, even to argue your corner to the point of outright ridicule, "winning" each argument by being so wrong and ridiculous nobody can be bothered to talk to you any further, "tippiastyle" I think it's called on these forums, but each has it's own name for it.

It's ok to be wrong on the internet, in fact, it's the new cool.

Now, go on.... third time.... don't let us all down, we're thoroughly gripped for your carefully considered thoughts.
If you can make your first sentence accurate and truthful, I promise I will read the second one.