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We split Goonswarm into Goonswarm1, Goonswarm2, Goonswarm3 etc and field one candidate fro each.

What on earth do you expect?

This system is intended, deliberately, to throw out overvotes. Large blocs, voting in clearly qualified candidates, produce overvotes. Those are thrown out.

STV is designed to ensure nobody's votes are thrown out. You've found that to be unacceptable: the voters, it seems, keep not voting the way you think they should. So you're designing the system to throw out the votes you don't like, and keep the votes you do like.

It's a laudible goal to move to STV to reduce wasted votes. It's a crass undemocratic powergrab to deliberately design the system to only preserve the votes you want to preserve and throw out those you don't.

What does the farmability of FW have to do with any of this? I specifically asked about the market price determination formula long before Inferno's release and many of us on the CSM warned them about the likelihood of this being abused. Surely it doesn't suprise you that CCP doesn't always take the CSM's advice.

You're missing the point, read it again.

Wrong question. The better question is, what percentage of the VOTING player base does CFC represent. I would say we are well under represented when we only elected a single person.

That CCP doesn't listen to you is your failure. If you spent time working on being persuasive, working on ways to show CCP that an idea is flawed, and worked on ways to expand your influence, then they'd listen. That's what an effective CSM does. It doesn't whine that nobody listened to it and give up.

You couldn't demonstrate to CCP an obviously and hilariously flawed system was broken. How the hell are you going to persuade them of anything less obvious?

I am extremely glad that the CSM is tackling hard hitting topics like "How can my pubsec friend nobody's heard of get more votes without people actually voting for them".

How is "One vote per account" a system that needs changing? Unless, of course, you only seek to remain in power and are looking for a way to manipulate votes to that end.

If hi-sec dwellers feel they aren't being represented, then they have the same opportunity as the rest of us to select a candidate that best represents their interests and rally behind them.

If they are disinterested, disorganized, or just too stupid to do that...tough. Why should the rest of us be marginalized because of inept publourdes?

I haven't found anything unacceptable. Trebor wrote the proposal, I'm just here to discuss its merits and drawbacks just like the rest of you. The whole point is to allow the community to shape a set of recommendations that we can take to CCP. It may be that the recommendation we get from the community is that we change nothing at all.

I'm pretty open-minded in general. If you don't like something Trebor said, convince me that its bad. I'm listening. There's no need to argue in the meantime as if this was something every one of the CSM members is personally trying to mandate.

Actually, I'll just spell it out for you:

CCP has, the last year or three, been known to release game mechanics which have been gameable as all hell, chief amongst has been FW and, say, the wardec system.

Everybody told CCP that the wardec ally system was going to get dogpiled, they still implemented it. A lot of people told CCP that linking LP rewards to things which people could affect would be exploited, CCP still implemented it. FW LP generation is now farmville central, and I'm sure we'll see people telling CCP about this as well before FW was released, but I can't be arsed to search the forums for bad posts. Most of these things were identified and plans for their exploitation was cooked up within a very short timeframe.

Compare this to you guys' idea of a "voting reform", and it's CCP quality all over again, i.e. we'd shot huge holes in it within 15 minutes because of one minor detail which you guys (apparently deliberately, with a very, very specific purpose it now seems) put in there.

In other words, you guys are just as terrible at seeing consequences down the line as CCP.