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Eve's Death Knell

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#121 - 2012-09-04 09:06:30 UTC
High sec definately has the lowest reward, but this is compenstated by the low risk. You can make a far amount of isk there if you are driven and spend lots of hours playing, but you have to be doing something special to reach the mega-rich status. I've always been confused by the low and null hatred of highsec players (and miners), i've always thought that people play eve for different reasons. Personally i think it comes down to the easyness of kills and potential loot of risk-free highsec killing, when compared to actually facing other pvp-players in combat. They perfer targets that don't shoot back.

Now i realise i'm going to get lots of disagreement here, but eve is NOT a PVP only game. If you like PVP, you go to low and null. If you like PVE, then you stay in highsec. This is the method in which eve can appeal to more players, as not everyone likes exploding ships. Sure, those PVP orentated people can go to empire and try to force their "pvp-only" opinion on any risk-free targets they can suicide gank, but that doesn't change that those players will continue to shun it.

I think that over time, the natural tendency for players to move from highsec has been worn away, and made alot more difficult, by these players. Lowsec is a wasteland, and null is full of blues. What incentive is there for these non-pvp players to move to these areas, when the increased rewards don't match up to the insanely increased risk?

Though the removal of high would be fun, ultimately it would harm eve. Highsec is the economic heart of eve, and removing the security would turn everything on its head, and likely result in alot of highsec players (the majority of eve) unsubbing. I'm sure lots of you would think thats a good thing, but it's not.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Frying Doom
#122 - 2012-09-04 09:07:54 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.

You Sir are very sickLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#123 - 2012-09-04 10:15:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jax Bederen wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm fine with highsec levels of income staying as they are as long as nullsec levels are buffed. Otherwise, highsec should be nerfed.

The risk vs. reward is out of whack otherwise.


Going by my hourly income and that of other missions runners I know, 30mill seems to be an average figure, (yes, I know some folk say they earn - insert desired fantasy figure here - per hour) what is the average hourly income for null players, assumimg one is playing in corp/alliance space?

I expect null players to now cry povertySmile


Yea, I saw the figure go from 50 mill to 100 in a couple months, it's like they read a number and pad it by 20-30 inflating it each time to make a dramatic point,should be 200 mill per hour soon.

Now if you get just the right mission, say like, smash the supplier, thats 40 mill, takes a bit over 20 minutes, then around 10 to loot, go back get another mission...crap duo of death, resign..attack of the drones...crap, oh well 10 mill, almost an hour passed. Most missions however are not smash the supplier.

So you're coming around to about 30 million per hour, which is very close to my stated nullsec levels of income. For incursion runners this surpasses that, again for relatively minimal amounts of risk.


Petition for them to buff up low sec, that wouldn't really bother any high sec players.
Oraac Ensor
#124 - 2012-09-04 11:34:55 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool

Wow! That's impressive. To know what most of us recognise you must have canvassed enough players to find 200,000+ that share that view.

I admire your diligence and fortitude, sir.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#125 - 2012-09-04 11:50:17 UTC
Eve is nowhere near its end.

Lets talk again in 30 years.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#126 - 2012-09-04 12:29:46 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool

Wow! That's impressive. To know what most of us recognise you must have canvassed enough players to find 200,000+ that share that view.

I admire your diligence and fortitude, sir.


James's "us" doesn't include you or me. In fact, you'll very likely find that James's "us" is a population of 1. Well, one player with a bunch of alts.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-09-04 13:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Abel Merkabah
Rats wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.



You smoking something, when he's not griefing hi sec he writes pages of drivel a minority find interesting and the rest find Roll

If i printed it off, I would wipe my a*s with it, but that would actually deposit more sh*t than wipe it off.

Tal


So we that find the content he creates interesting are the minority. You must be speaking for the majority then; how kind of you to give an opinion to all those players, many who I assume never have heard of James.

I find James interesting because he has created a villain in this game; the fact people attack him with such vitriol on the boards kind of proves that point. Now only if people would do something in game about it. Where are the heros to fight this villain?

This also explains why I don't care for carebears myself. So focused on ISK/hr, they forget that this game is about player created content; and they despise (as demonstrated by those posting here) those players creative enough to come up with an idea like this. It is no different then the goon hate, instead of a corporation, it is one man.

So James keep on keeping on!

Edit - cleaned up some miss typing.

James315 for CSM 8!

Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-09-04 13:22:18 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.

You Sir are very sickLol


Well I'm I'm the right game then; aren't I?

And frying, even though I don't agree with everything you say, you tend to be one of the others I can tolerate. What does that say about you? Lol

James315 for CSM 8!

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#129 - 2012-09-04 15:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
If/when the servers shut down, removing all restrictions on PVP would serve no other purpose than to cause most high sec dwellers (Null sec player alts aside) to quit at that point in time instead of waiting for the end.

Removing the protective frameworks in EVE will not make risk adverse players any less risk adverse.

If the phrase "You can't take it with you" had no meaning for these players prior to this point, it's not going to sink in then either.

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-09-05 06:04:36 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
If/when the servers shut down, removing all restrictions on PVP would serve no other purpose than to cause most high sec dwellers (Null sec player alts aside) to quit at that point in time instead of waiting for the end.

Removing the protective frameworks in EVE will not make risk adverse players any less risk adverse.

If the phrase "You can't take it with you" had no meaning for these players prior to this point, it's not going to sink in then either.


That was kind of the point of doing it at the end of the life cycle.

CCP would have a minimal loss, because the game is going to end any way, so players quitting wouldn't hit as hard. Basically I would like to see how bad it could get, in any way, combat, market, SOV. Something taken to the extreme. I think removing all safety on combat would be the most fun, but removing all combat and watching the market eventually crash could be entertaining as well; or possibly seeing one massive power block conquer all of space.

I think in the end, the content should be as extreme as possible to go out with a huge bang. As stated, I don't want this to happen for many many years...but thought their could be some interesting discussion.

James315 for CSM 8!

Doc Severide
Doomheim
#131 - 2012-09-08 12:56:46 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
Roime wrote:
But don't worry, nobody expects NPC corp members to know anything about EVE.
Another boneheaded statement pulled out of your ass. NPC corps are full of people who left regular corps cause they were full of pricks.

Quote:
Carebears stay in hisec because L4s, 3/10s and 4/10s hand out so much ISK with no effort or risk.
Sure, like all the null dwellers using hi-sec alts to make risk free ISK. God you are dense...


DarthNefarius wrote:
What probably pisses offthe NULLers is that many in HI SEC don't care about them so they get this 'short man complex' & demand HI SEC be nerfed into non existsance. Null whiners wanting to nerf the HI SEC part of sanbox sort of remind me of how my baby sister would always follow me around & when I ignored her she'd start crying then poop in her diapers ( yes I imagine James315 with a very heavy diaper right now with tears in his eyes) .
james is everything that is wrong with EVE...


I'd argue James315 is exactly what Eve needs...a player creating content, even if that content is a villain to you and your peers...maybe do something about it in game instead of just complaining about his posts.

Hero worship is a losers game. Eventually they disapoint you... or...um..is it something more...hee hee hee
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-09-08 12:58:46 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.

Empty minds think alike I suppose...
Josef Djugashvilis
#133 - 2012-09-08 13:33:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Doc Severide wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.

Empty minds think alike I suppose...


The correct expression is - great minds think alike, fools seldom differ.

This is not a signature.

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-09-08 13:44:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Are the sleepers zombies or something? Not big on the lore...

The sleepers are infomorphs, they essentially live in a computer generated world. In universe, this is called "The Construct". All their structures and drones are connected via this world. There's a fair bit of lore involving them in the EVE novels, and in other parts of the forum.

Hmm, given that most of us learn Infomorph Psychology and jump between bodies ...



This already happened once, it will happen again. You're a Cylon, admit it !!

If you're the blond one I would be glad to lube your parts and take care of your business. Lol

brb

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#135 - 2012-09-09 03:19:58 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


Still waiting to see all these massive rewards that everyone thinks exists in hisec. More likely the imbalance exists in your mind.

John Hancock

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#136 - 2012-09-09 03:32:39 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool

Still waiting to see all these massive rewards that everyone thinks exists in hisec. More likely the imbalance exists in your mind.

"too much reward for too little risk " == "massive rewards"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#137 - 2012-09-09 03:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


What is it that is preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance in highsec? Thats right nothing..... Its not the perceived imbalance that bothers you so much, but more so you cant force people to play how YOU want them to play.

Its time to GTFU put on your big boy underoos and accept you cant always get what you want.
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#138 - 2012-09-09 05:41:16 UTC
LOL @ OPLol

Hi-sec would just play another game. It would be like flying through low-sec. Blink

Empire, the next new world order.

Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-09-09 08:37:15 UTC
Eve's Death Knell will be how slow they bring things to market. Their ability to dream big but deliver small is going to hamstring them with so many awesome games coming out.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.

Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-09-09 13:51:03 UTC
Merovee wrote:
LOL @ OPLol

Hi-sec would just play another game. It would be like flying through low-sec. Blink


I was kind of hoping, since the game would be ending, some would stick around and play. I know if they removed combat at the end, I'd still stick around to watch the market implode.

I can't imagine I'm the only person who is curious to see how bad things can really get. Others would stay.

James315 for CSM 8!