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3 genuine questions for Mittens
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2011-10-14 22:49:46 UTC
"because we can"

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Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-10-14 22:50:25 UTC
you made me miss the snipe weaselior :(

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Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-14 22:50:48 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.

Then why do you care?
Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-10-14 22:51:13 UTC
basically we are waving our collective dicks in the faces of the eve community

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2011-10-14 22:51:23 UTC
also this is the most fun many of us have had with this game in years

empire is an untapped source of people who aren't so jaded from being savaged by goons that it's fun again to cause suffering and misery

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-10-14 22:52:14 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Kazanir and I actually wrote that, mittens reposted it to kugu

Thx for the heads up. I missed the attribution.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-10-14 22:53:01 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?

CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this.

Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after.

It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.


every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-10-14 22:53:39 UTC
The Apostle wrote:


Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?

Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?

Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?


Answer #1: The Mittanni himself admitted that he is sadistic. As someone else mentioned, goons joined EVE to destroy it. However, they discovered that EVE was the PERFECT game for their antics.

Answers #2 and #3: You fail to understand the robustness of EVE's economy. The only thing that this event has done is shift supply and demand around. So yeah, maybe fuel is more expensive. This has very little to do with T1 goods, as those can EASILY be manufactured without ever touching a POS, so long as you are willing to wait for your ME research.

The WORST CASE is that T2 returns to pre-invention prices, and everyone starts flying T1 again. Even if Goonswarm takes it a step farther and tries to prevent T1 industry from happening, then people will just go back to flying cruisers and rifters. Not even Goonswarm can stop people from mining in noobships.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2011-10-14 22:53:50 UTC
i mean I just go all :3: at that 500m a month for a gallente tower bit

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2011-10-14 22:55:50 UTC
oops

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2011-10-14 22:56:55 UTC
Infinimo wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.

Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game.

thanks for ruining my double post you meany


Please accept my sincere apologies.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-10-14 22:58:53 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?

CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this.

Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after.

It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.


every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month

And here's the thing (as also mentioned above).

For all the "drought and pestilence" rhetoric it is only going to hurt moon owning alliances and pilots who want to fly T2.

That's why I'm asking why Mittens is even bothering? The fun and frolics bit I already get but that's not the bit I eluded to in the OP.

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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-10-14 22:59:57 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i mean I just go all :3: at that 500m a month for a gallente tower bit

I get the same way when I log in and look at the price history graph for oxytopes.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#34 - 2011-10-14 23:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Weaselior wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?

CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this.

Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after.

It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.


every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month

Some people might be silly enough to change over to another races pos just for the lower price of the fuel... ofc they'd have to watch their silos more and possibly change how often they visit the pos, because of the smaller silo sizes?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2011-10-14 23:01:38 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
And here's the thing (as also mentioned above).

For all the "drought and pestilence" rhetoric it is only going to hurt moon owning alliances and pilots who want to fly T2.

That's why I'm asking why Mittens is even bothering? The fun and frolics bit I already get but that's not the bit I eluded to in the OP.


and people who make t2 items, and people who run t2 reactions for money, etc

i'll be satisfied with blowing up the t2 economy but the economic contagion is already spreading to other fuels we haven't hit in an organized fashion and hopefully it'll see more ripples out :3:

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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-10-14 23:03:01 UTC
It's reassuring to know that when I finally get committed to mental institution that there will be easy access to a computer with internet so I, too, can never stop posting.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2011-10-14 23:04:27 UTC
non judgement wrote:
Some people might be silly enough to change over to another races pos just for the lower price of the fuel... ofc they'd have to watch their silos more and possibly change how often they visit the pos.


forcing someone to tear down and replace towers is basically the height of griefing you just stole hours of their life they must now spend doing some of the most annoying tasks in eve

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-10-14 23:07:02 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
non judgement wrote:
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?

CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this.

Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after.

It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.


every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month


Switch to Amarr towers then? You can still run reactions on those, and they still get a 50% bonus to silo capacity.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#39 - 2011-10-14 23:08:06 UTC
I actually enjoyed onlining and offlining a pos when I had one. But it was a novelty for me. Only doing research stuff.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2011-10-14 23:12:09 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Switch to Amarr towers then? You can still run reactions on those, and they still get a 50% bonus to silo capacity.

pretty sure you can't because of their hideously low CPU but I could be wrong

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.