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Dev blog: Singularity, Duality ... Buckingham?

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Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#61 - 2012-09-07 22:05:56 UTC
Rather than have multiple test server installs, can I just create multiple launch icons pointing at different test servers. I appreciate that each time I visit a different server this would result in downloading the appropriate data again, but I've got more room in my bandwidth than my hard drive.

In other words, would appending the Buckingham server address to the SiSi install launcher work?

ie.

For Buckingham: C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\Singularity\eve.exe" /server:87.237.38.69

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Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-09-07 22:06:34 UTC
Echo Mande wrote:
Changes to NPC AI? Tell me more ...

Personally a toned-down sleeper AI wouldn't be that out of place in harder level 4's and level 5's not everyone would agree with me.



making Sleepers easier??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKXlhpeb6wI&feature=related

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#63 - 2012-09-07 22:07:49 UTC
Seismic Stan wrote:
Rather than have multiple test server installs, can I just create multiple launch icons pointing at different test servers. I appreciate that each time I visit a different server this would result in downloading the appropriate data again, but I've got more room in my bandwidth than my hard drive.

In other words, would appending the Buckingham server address to the SiSi install launcher work?

ie.

For Buckingham: C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\Singularity\eve.exe" /server:87.237.38.69

Yes but you have to copy over the TQ launcher.

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Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
#64 - 2012-09-07 22:17:09 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Yes but you have to copy over the TQ launcher.


So SiSi and Buckingham are mutually exclusive and I'd have to overwrite my TQ install? That's not going to work then. :(

Oh well, just a thought.

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mkint
#65 - 2012-09-07 22:17:40 UTC
Yeah... I won't be touching a test server again until sisilauncher is brought back. I'm not going to go through all that hassle when so much vital feedback gets ignored anyway.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#66 - 2012-09-07 23:18:36 UTC
Seismic Stan wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Yes but you have to copy over the TQ launcher.


So SiSi and Buckingham are mutually exclusive and I'd have to overwrite my TQ install? That's not going to work then. :(

Oh well, just a thought.

Sisi and Bucky are running different versions of server code.

The one on Sisi is a bit older than TQ but with the running beta of Dust integrated and they don't want to mess with that since that would require updating all the current Dust clients.

The one on Bucky contains the latest EvE code, and will probably continue to get new code for testing including both new EvE code for the winter and Dust upgrades for their own (closed) testing.

Makes sense to me at least.

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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#67 - 2012-09-07 23:25:44 UTC
mkint wrote:
Yeah... I won't be touching a test server again until sisilauncher is brought back. I'm not going to go through all that hassle when so much vital feedback gets ignored anyway.


Sisilauncher will never be supported again - we have our own dedicated launcher now.

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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#68 - 2012-09-07 23:26:41 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Seismic Stan wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Yes but you have to copy over the TQ launcher.


So SiSi and Buckingham are mutually exclusive and I'd have to overwrite my TQ install? That's not going to work then. :(

Oh well, just a thought.

Sisi and Bucky are running different versions of server code.

The one on Sisi is a bit older than TQ but with the running beta of Dust integrated and they don't want to mess with that since that would require updating all the current Dust clients.

The one on Bucky contains the latest EvE code, and will probably continue to get new code for testing including both new EvE code for the winter and Dust upgrades for their own (closed) testing.

Makes sense to me at least.


Buckingham will not have any winter code - that's what we'll be using Duality for.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#69 - 2012-09-07 23:27:09 UTC
Echo Mande wrote:
Changes to NPC AI? Tell me more ...

Personally a toned-down sleeper AI wouldn't be that out of place in harder level 4's and level 5's not everyone would agree with me.


I'll see if I can get someone from Five 0 to comment on this.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
mkint
#70 - 2012-09-07 23:53:49 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
mkint wrote:
Yeah... I won't be touching a test server again until sisilauncher is brought back. I'm not going to go through all that hassle when so much vital feedback gets ignored anyway.


Sisilauncher will never be supported again - we have our own dedicated launcher now.

So ccp is done with the whole 'we want people to test our stuff so we will make it easy for them' initiative and now onto the 'make them think they will get an unfair advantage while ignoring serious feedback' bent. Got it. Testing time is wasted time.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#71 - 2012-09-08 00:07:21 UTC


Reading your diagram carefully it says that TQ is EVE's Production Server, and SISI will be Dust514's "Production Server" does that mean LIVE Dust514 games will be happening on the Singularity server only while testing is going on or Singularity will be handling all Dust interactions moving forward after release? Or are you going to have TQ handle Dust when you go into live release? It's just confusing because you used Production Server twice to indicate live releases...

Thanks for the answer to the inane question. :)

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-09-08 02:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
Bloodpetal wrote:


Reading your diagram carefully it says that TQ is EVE's Production Server, and SISI will be Dust514's "Production Server" does that mean LIVE Dust514 games will be happening on the Singularity server only while testing is going on or Singularity will be handling all Dust interactions moving forward after release? Or are you going to have TQ handle Dust when you go into live release? It's just confusing because you used Production Server twice to indicate live releases...

Thanks for the answer to the inane question. :)



I dont get what's so hard to grasp ...


  • TQ is Eve-Onlines server and will remain so
  • Sisi will be used for the DUST open Beta. You will be able to connect to it with an eve test client
  • Bucky will be used for CCP's internal DUST Testing. You might be able to connect to it as well using an Eve test client
  • Duality will be used for the Eve Online Winter expansion testing. We will get (somewhat limited) public access.



Actually, no. You're right. It is confusing. What?

No, we are never going to be able to connect one Eve Client to Four different versions of the Eve server software. The Client and Server software versions must match. Since CCP need to patch each of the four servers at different times with different versions then the clients have to also be updated. The only way to connect one client to four differnet server versions would be to somehow track the changes in each version of the client and substitute changed files in another folder while still retaining a pointer to the main eve client. If you think that ANYBODY could achieve this programming miracle without creating more bugs than you are trying to to fix then you need to get outside more.
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#73 - 2012-09-08 04:48:31 UTC
I agree that this all sounds like a confusing waste of time, I would not touch it with a 20 foot pole.

Automate this garbage or no one is going to bother.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#74 - 2012-09-08 06:26:36 UTC
I did setup everything, but when i start the game on the login screen it sais "Incompatible (Release)".

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-09-08 07:14:08 UTC
mkint wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
mkint wrote:
Yeah... I won't be touching a test server again until sisilauncher is brought back. I'm not going to go through all that hassle when so much vital feedback gets ignored anyway.


Sisilauncher will never be supported again - we have our own dedicated launcher now.

So ccp is done with the whole 'we want people to test our stuff so we will make it easy for them' initiative and now onto the 'make them think they will get an unfair advantage while ignoring serious feedback' bent. Got it. Testing time is wasted time.

Because its terribly hard to copy your eve folder, and make a new shortcut.

what are you 10?
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-09-08 10:01:09 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
mkint wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
mkint wrote:
Yeah... I won't be touching a test server again until sisilauncher is brought back. I'm not going to go through all that hassle when so much vital feedback gets ignored anyway.


Sisilauncher will never be supported again - we have our own dedicated launcher now.

So ccp is done with the whole 'we want people to test our stuff so we will make it easy for them' initiative and now onto the 'make them think they will get an unfair advantage while ignoring serious feedback' bent. Got it. Testing time is wasted time.

Because its terribly hard to copy your eve folder, and make a new shortcut.

what are you 10?


^^^This.

But still- they should add old sis launcher functionality to their current launcher

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#77 - 2012-09-08 10:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
Max Kolonko wrote:
Jack bubu wrote:
mkint wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
mkint wrote:
Yeah... I won't be touching a test server again until sisilauncher is brought back. I'm not going to go through all that hassle when so much vital feedback gets ignored anyway.


Sisilauncher will never be supported again - we have our own dedicated launcher now.

So ccp is done with the whole 'we want people to test our stuff so we will make it easy for them' initiative and now onto the 'make them think they will get an unfair advantage while ignoring serious feedback' bent. Got it. Testing time is wasted time.

Because its terribly hard to copy your eve folder, and make a new shortcut.

what are you 10?


^^^This.

But still- they should add old sis launcher functionality to their current launcher

Hopefully the 2.0 launcher that was almost ready for the new Bucky server will be deployed soon and will have the functianality we desire. Hababkuk sayed there was a build ready for Bucky but has "two" many bugs so they had to hold off.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#78 - 2012-09-08 10:16:58 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Thanks for reading everyone! Looking forward to addressing your questions Big smile


Technoporn should be accomanpied by photos of the hardware.

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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#79 - 2012-09-08 13:24:05 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:


Reading your diagram carefully it says that TQ is EVE's Production Server, and SISI will be Dust514's "Production Server" does that mean LIVE Dust514 games will be happening on the Singularity server only while testing is going on or Singularity will be handling all Dust interactions moving forward after release? Or are you going to have TQ handle Dust when you go into live release? It's just confusing because you used Production Server twice to indicate live releases...

Thanks for the answer to the inane question. :)



This is the state of affairs as it is right now. "Soon TM" is looking into the future, but is not the be all and end all of the road ahead.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#80 - 2012-09-08 13:38:18 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:


Reading your diagram carefully it says that TQ is EVE's Production Server, and SISI will be Dust514's "Production Server" does that mean LIVE Dust514 games will be happening on the Singularity server only while testing is going on or Singularity will be handling all Dust interactions moving forward after release? Or are you going to have TQ handle Dust when you go into live release? It's just confusing because you used Production Server twice to indicate live releases...

Thanks for the answer to the inane question. :)



This is the state of affairs as it is right now. "Soon TM" is looking into the future, but is not the be all and end all of the road ahead.

The concern is that Sisi might not be able to present Dust in the best light after the next release. With all the new code how is sisi handling it?

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.