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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3441 - 2012-09-07 22:12:02 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
MIrple wrote:

What we have atm is

Hulk Hi low low
Mak Med Med Hi
Skif Hi Med Med

You have one too many med's in there.

He needs his meds, don't take them away from him. You cruel, heartless bastard.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3442 - 2012-09-07 23:00:30 UTC
MIrple wrote:
The Exhumers should follow this in my opinion we will call it Hi/Low/Low

Skiff Hi tank Low cargo Low Yield

Mak Hi Cargo Low tank Low Yield

Hulk Hi Yield Low tank Low Cargo

What we have atm is

Hulk Hi low low
Mak Med Med Hi
Skif Hi Med Med

Its a new song right?
Infinite Force
#3443 - 2012-09-07 23:25:30 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
MIrple wrote:
The Exhumers should follow this in my opinion we will call it Hi/Low/Low

Skiff Hi tank Low cargo Low Yield

Mak Hi Cargo Low tank Low Yield

Hulk Hi Yield Low tank Low Cargo

What we have atm is

Hulk Hi low low
Mak Med Med Hi
Skif Hi Med Med

Its a new song right?

I can't help it ....

Sung to the tune of the 7 Dwarfs "Hi Ho" from the original Snow White.

Hi low, hi low, it's off to mine we go,
With Miner II's and M L U's, hi low, hi low, hi low

Hi low, hi low, it's back to mids we go,
To tank a Mack like quarterbacks, hi low, hi low, hi low

Hi low, hi low, it's off to Skiffs we go,
To bait our prey and make our day, hi low, hi low, hi low

Hi low, hi low, it's back to Hulks we go,
They have the yield just need a field to mine, to mine, to mine

I'm done, I'm done, this song is really done.


/facepalm ..... LOL

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3444 - 2012-09-08 02:42:38 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:

I can't help it ....

Sung to the tune of the 7 Dwarfs "Hi Ho" from the original Snow White.

Hi low, hi low, it's off to mine we go,
With Miner II's and M L U's, hi low, hi low, hi low

Hi low, hi low, it's back to mids we go,
To tank a Mack like quarterbacks, hi low, hi low, hi low

Hi low, hi low, it's off to Skiffs we go,
To bait our prey and make our day, hi low, hi low, hi low

Hi low, hi low, it's back to Hulks we go,
They have the yield just need a field to mine, to mine, to mine

I'm done, I'm done, this song is really done.


/facepalm ..... LOL

That was very amusing
Pipa Porto
#3445 - 2012-09-08 05:36:21 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
I agree, but what is the problem with letting us have that extra cpu to fit a tiny bit of extra tank? You know that if we had the extra cpu most idiot miners will use it to fit a 3rd mining upgrade making it even easier to kill them. So I see no downside, more cpu, less base hitpoints, those of us who want to tank will be able to tank that little bit of extra while greedy miners and bots all fit for yield. Both sides win here.


So, you want more CPU so you can fit more tan
K, is that
It? I think that you'll
Find that CCP has provided you with a
Fine ship that's designed to fill your needs.


If only I could remember it's name.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Hypercake Mix
#3446 - 2012-09-08 06:43:27 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
So how much is a skiff right now? I'm assuming you mean the skiff would apply the point to prevent the miner from leaving?

If that is the case, then enjoy having that skiff corded. Not cost effective. And if I were a miner I'd be ready to leave as soon as some entered point range...that is just prudence.


Of course not! It's just to gather intel, as ganking can be team PvP activity. The greens scout out for potential targets and lead the reds to the prey. Hell, brush up to the unsuspecting miner and have the dessies warp to zero on you.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3447 - 2012-09-08 06:59:07 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
So, you want more CPU so you can fit more tan
K, is that
It? I think that you'll
Find that CCP has provided you with a
Fine ship that's designed to fill your needs.


If only I could remember it's name.


When you gankers were ganking 10 Hulks with just one Tornado, you said miners should tank their ships.
Now you want all miners to forget that tanking thing and go for full yield so you can gank 10 Hulks and get 250M from doing it.

Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked...
Hypercake Mix
#3448 - 2012-09-08 07:31:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked...


Can be. Rarely is it ever worth the effort.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3449 - 2012-09-08 07:39:06 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked...


Can be. Rarely is it ever worth the effort.


Get ganker friends and effort required is smaller.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#3450 - 2012-09-08 07:39:58 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked...


Can be. Rarely is it ever worth the effort.


Its always worth it when I see the smiles on the kids faces. There's some things that ISK can't buy.

Miners write the best hatemail.
Hypercake Mix
#3451 - 2012-09-08 08:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hypercake Mix
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Get ganker friends and effort required is smaller.

Rarely is it ever worth the combined effort.

Could get 5 buddies and gank 5 Mackinaws and get 5 hate-mails or gank 1 Skiff and get one "GJ" in local.

Edit: Though, I could be overestimating the way people fit their Skiff. Mine doesn't undock without an AB.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3452 - 2012-09-08 08:12:17 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different?


Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers)
Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers.


Black ops have a choice of 4 ships. Bombers have a choice of 4 ships. Logistics have a choice of 2 ships.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3453 - 2012-09-08 08:41:20 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Edit: Though, I could be overestimating the way people fit their Skiff. Mine doesn't undock without an AB.


Yeah, using standard fit.

[Skiff]

Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure

Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Domination Warp Disruptor
Domination Warp Disruptor

True Sansha Small EMP Smartbomb

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3454 - 2012-09-08 08:43:37 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Edit: Though, I could be overestimating the way people fit their Skiff. Mine doesn't undock without an AB.


Yeah, using standard fit.

[Skiff]

Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure

Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Domination Warp Disruptor
Domination Warp Disruptor

True Sansha Small EMP Smartbomb

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


Willing to be there is someone stupid enough to do this.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3455 - 2012-09-08 08:48:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Willing to be there is someone stupid enough to do this.


I've tried to fit MWD. Not enough PG.
Hypercake Mix
#3456 - 2012-09-08 09:11:01 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I've tried to fit MWD. Not enough PG.

Here ya go.

[Skiff, Mario Kart]
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core

10MN Digital Booster Rockets
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Domination Warp Disruptor
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

w/ both Geno implants and 6% PG implant.
Pipa Porto
#3457 - 2012-09-08 14:26:29 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
So, you want more CPU so you can fit more tan
K, is that
It? I think that you'll
Find that CCP has provided you with a
Fine ship that's designed to fill your needs.


If only I could remember it's name.


When you gankers were ganking 10 Hulks with just one Tornado, you said miners should tank their ships.
Now you want all miners to forget that tanking thing and go for full yield so you can gank 10 Hulks and get 250M from doing it.

Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked...


Where did anyone say miners shouldn't tank their ships? All we're saying is that CCP shouldn't be tanking the miners ships for them (besides the skiff, being that it actually sacrifices something for its tank).

Explain exactly how you can make a profit (or break even) ganking a Skiff. Keep in mind that profitable (or at least break-even) ganking is the only thing that allows industrialized ganking, which is the only thing that provides any significant risk to the HS mining fleet.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3458 - 2012-09-08 14:39:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different?


Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers)
Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers.


Black ops have a choice of 4 ships. Bombers have a choice of 4 ships. Logistics have a choice of 2 ships.




But overall hundreds of ships that are combat based....mining still only has the 3 barges and 3 exhumers.
Hypercake Mix
#3459 - 2012-09-08 15:07:42 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Explain exactly how you can make a profit (or break even) ganking a Skiff. Keep in mind that profitable (or at least break-even) ganking is the only thing that allows industrialized ganking, which is the only thing that provides any significant risk to the HS mining fleet.

SkiffGuy gets ganked by a few Tornados.
SkiffGuy: *totally racist British accent* Good show ol' chaps. You're the first to successfully gank my tug-boat 'ere. *gives 500mil to gankers* I say, I applaud that jolly good show!

Well... that'd probably never happen. Maybe if you caught a Skiff on a gate that was sitting there all day and two gank attempts already happened on it and it's on fire from sitting in low structure and you found out it's got a bunch of deadspace mods on it. That probably wouldn't happen either.

Whatever. Casual high-sec mining is for when you feel a need for mystical space-zen meditation or those "how the heck did we run out of ammo" moments when your hauler guy went afk looking for his cat six hours ago.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3460 - 2012-09-08 15:59:38 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
So how much is a skiff right now? I'm assuming you mean the skiff would apply the point to prevent the miner from leaving?

If that is the case, then enjoy having that skiff corded. Not cost effective. And if I were a miner I'd be ready to leave as soon as some entered point range...that is just prudence.


Of course not! It's just to gather intel, as ganking can be team PvP activity. The greens scout out for potential targets and lead the reds to the prey. Hell, brush up to the unsuspecting miner and have the dessies warp to zero on you.


If the miner is doing it right it doesn't matter. Second hostile type ships land on grid, warp away; that is the point. If you mine correctly, use DScan, and aren't an idiot, mining is nearly gank proof, no matter what the gankers try to do.

James315 for CSM 8!