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Ravens Shadowcrow
Griff-Co
#1 - 2012-09-07 13:40:04 UTC
I'm a little confused about the electornic warfare drones. Specifically the ECM ones (Hornet EC, Vespa EC, etc). What do those boost or do?

Are there any EW drones that you can deploy that will help you escape a warp scrambler?

i.e. If I'm mining (NOT AFK) and I see something jump on grid that is unfriendly are there any 4 or 5 drones I can deploy that might save me long enough to align and warp out if I'm at a standstill or moving slowly through a belt?

Same question for a gate camp situation. Anything I can deply that might give me a chance to align and jump away (screw tryng to burn back to the gate in a mining barge or industrial ;)?

PS- and yes I have a tendancy to go places I shouldn't. And yes I know that I shouldn't and that I deserve or at least should expect to lose my ship when I do these things. But I just can't help myself... It's like showing me a door and saying "now don't go beyond this door even if there might be candy behind it because there's monsters in there". Don't you get it? I HAVE to go through the door. I have too. It's becoming my EvE OCD ;)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#2 - 2012-09-07 13:44:26 UTC
Ravens Shadowcrow wrote:
I'm a little confused about the electornic warfare drones. Specifically the ECM ones (Hornet EC, Vespa EC, etc). What do those boost or do?

Are there any EW drones that you can deploy that will help you escape a warp scrambler?

i.e. If I'm mining (NOT AFK) and I see something jump on grid that is unfriendly are there any 4 or 5 drones I can deploy that might save me long enough to align and warp out if I'm at a standstill or moving slowly through a belt?

Same question for a gate camp situation. Anything I can deply that might give me a chance to align and jump away (screw tryng to burn back to the gate in a mining barge or industrial ;)?

PS- and yes I have a tendancy to go places I shouldn't. And yes I know that I shouldn't and that I deserve or at least should expect to lose my ship when I do these things. But I just can't help myself... It's like showing me a door and saying "now don't go beyond this door even if there might be candy behind it because there's monsters in there". Don't you get it? I HAVE to go through the door. I have too. It's becoming my EvE OCD ;)



Basically the way that Ewar works is that you have a certain chance of forcing a jam on a ship per cycle. If you get attacked by someone coming to gank you, and assuming your drones get within reach of them before you blow up, you would have a chance of (Drones ECM strength / Enemy ship sensor strength) to force a jam cycle on them.

It might save you, but it probably wont.

By the way, dont stop going places you "aren't supposed to go"... just be sure to figure out a way to kick the teeth in of the people who are living there, if they start getting uppity. :)
ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#3 - 2012-09-07 13:58:27 UTC
Tiberious did a good job at explaining ECM. I'm just going to leave you with the ECM wiki link if you want some more information on it.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Electronic_warfare_guide

Also there are low slot items called warp core stabilizers (Stabs) that give you +1 strength to your warp ability. Each warp inhibitor(minus the Generator) give -1 to warp ability (not including faction points) lets say you have 1 of those on your ship and you face 1 enemy. The enemy warp scrambles you well you have +2 strength and their scramble takes 1 away still giving you enough warp strength to warp off.

Another option is to use like a nano fiber to increase your agility reducing your align time or some type of low slot module like that.

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Ravens Shadowcrow
Griff-Co
#4 - 2012-09-07 14:39:40 UTC
Thank you both for that explanation.

Can you clarify one more thing that confuses me (and I'm sure a lot of newbs)

Am I understanding correctly that "Alignment time" really boils down to getting your ship up to 3/4 of it's max speed? I realize that the ship turning and facing, etc is all just cosmetic, but is there a delay associated with the agility of your ship, the speed or both. If both Is one delay significatly a larger potion (speeding up I assume unless your trying to align to something completely 180 to the direction you are traveling?)

If a ship is at rest then aligning time is purely a factor of speed?
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#5 - 2012-09-07 14:53:58 UTC
Ravens Shadowcrow wrote:
Thank you both for that explanation.

Can you clarify one more thing that confuses me (and I'm sure a lot of newbs)

Am I understanding correctly that "Alignment time" really boils down to getting your ship up to 3/4 of it's max speed? I realize that the ship turning and facing, etc is all just cosmetic, but is there a delay associated with the agility of your ship, the speed or both. If both Is one delay significatly a larger potion (speeding up I assume unless your trying to align to something completely 180 to the direction you are traveling?)

If a ship is at rest then aligning time is purely a factor of speed?



That's correct. A ship at rest always has the same align time no matter what direction you start to head off towards, whether that be in front of you or behind you. If you are moving, though, even a little bit, your ship first has to change directions, which adds a lot of time to the alignment process.

In the end, the best tank for a mining ship is, and always will be, to not be in the same place as the people looking to gank you. this isn't actually that hard to do, if you're paying attention.

I actually mine out in low-sec of all places, and the best tank is alignment time. ;)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2012-09-07 15:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Ravens Shadowcrow wrote:
Are there any EW drones that you can deploy that will help you escape a warp scrambler?

i.e. If I'm mining (NOT AFK) and I see something jump on grid that is unfriendly are there any 4 or 5 drones I can deploy that might save me long enough to align and warp out if I'm at a standstill or moving slowly through a belt?

Unfortunately ECM drones were changed so they only jam at the end of their cycle, which takes 20 seconds. Add to that the time to deploy (for best results, they must be deployed at all times).

This means that in most cases an un-tanked mining ship is already dead. So unless you are fitting a good amount of tank by sacrificing MLU, or using a Procurer / Skiff, there is no point in using ECM drones.

ECM drones will jam NPC, but then the NPC will re-target the closest valid target, the ECM drone itself, which are quite fragile. Hence one must use other drones to deal with NPC.

Also, most mining ships are quite slow to accelerate to warp speed. Example: a Hulk takes about 13 seconds. A webber (must be in same corp) can reduce this to 0 if the miner mines aligned at 75% speed.

Example: Hauling alt in a Bestower Webber

Warp velocity of a quadruple webbed Hulk = 7 m/s, max velocity = 9 m/s. Align to station / celestial and mine. Insta-warp if nervous.

Other ships can be used (barges can even sacrifice mid-slots for webs and web each other, but then they won't be able to dock immediately). Armor tanked Scorpion makes a quad web for two Hulks (and can deploy drones for NPC).

[Bestower, Quad Webber + Hauler]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Small Tractor Beam II
Miner I

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I



[Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Ravens Shadowcrow
Griff-Co
#7 - 2012-09-07 15:24:59 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I actually mine out in low-sec of all places, and the best tank is alignment time. ;)

LOL yeah this is essentially what I want to do on occasion to get at ore I want/need and just to make things a lot less boring ;)

My first foray into low sec I was gate camped by 3 or 4 hurricanes and well... it was a pretty explosion anyways. All I know is it happened really, really fast and then i was DEAD ;)

The second time I tried for a more out of the way location and bought a shuttle to check the gate ahead of my jump and looked at the few people on the hi-sec side carefully to see if there were unsavory types. Clearly I didn't look hard enough because it was the guy with the +15.0 security status that followed me through and eventually found me in the right belt. I did my level best to escape, but he scrambled me and made mincemeat of my feeble attempt at a shield tank. Even though I was using the heaviest barge woth the new buffs he made fairly quick work of me and his scrambler kept me firmly rooted. I did try to deploy my crappy tech I scout drones against him but that was as effective as sneezing his way. At any rate he left my pod alive and gave me a stiff warning to leave low-sec and not return until I had the skills to handle it. All it really did though was **** me off and make me want to go back even more ;)

Regardless I don't have the funds to keep feeding pirates 20-30 mil barges fitted with strip miners and MLUs so yeah I need to learn how to be fleet of foot in a big, lumbering hunk of space metal :/

I need more Sun-Tzu and less Custer...
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#8 - 2012-09-07 16:20:38 UTC

EC drones work well, but are chance based, and hence not consistently (especially on bigger ships).... Many people consider them OP, especially in swarms of 15-30.

I'm not sure about EC drones working at the "end" of a cycle..... my instincts tell me this is incorrect, but I'll have to test it to be certain.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-09-07 16:52:01 UTC
The equation defining the time to enter warp is:

TimeToWarp = -ln(0.25) × Mass_kg × Agility / 1000000

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aligning

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#10 - 2012-09-07 16:53:16 UTC
Ravens Shadowcrow wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I actually mine out in low-sec of all places, and the best tank is alignment time. ;)

LOL yeah this is essentially what I want to do on occasion to get at ore I want/need and just to make things a lot less boring ;)

My first foray into low sec I was gate camped by 3 or 4 hurricanes and well... it was a pretty explosion anyways. All I know is it happened really, really fast and then i was DEAD ;)

The second time I tried for a more out of the way location and bought a shuttle to check the gate ahead of my jump and looked at the few people on the hi-sec side carefully to see if there were unsavory types. Clearly I didn't look hard enough because it was the guy with the +15.0 security status that followed me through and eventually found me in the right belt. I did my level best to escape, but he scrambled me and made mincemeat of my feeble attempt at a shield tank. Even though I was using the heaviest barge woth the new buffs he made fairly quick work of me and his scrambler kept me firmly rooted. I did try to deploy my crappy tech I scout drones against him but that was as effective as sneezing his way. At any rate he left my pod alive and gave me a stiff warning to leave low-sec and not return until I had the skills to handle it. All it really did though was **** me off and make me want to go back even more ;)

Regardless I don't have the funds to keep feeding pirates 20-30 mil barges fitted with strip miners and MLUs so yeah I need to learn how to be fleet of foot in a big, lumbering hunk of space metal :/

I need more Sun-Tzu and less Custer...



Your best chance in this case is to find yourself a corporation that actually works out of that area. Also, never be afraid to take up some PvP, as well. It's really the meat and potatoes of this game.
Velarra
#11 - 2012-09-10 05:59:41 UTC
SW-300's.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-10 11:07:28 UTC
E-war drones to bust a gate camp is a bad idea, they will give you an agression timer which means you cant jump gates or dock at station straight away.

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