EVE General Discussion

p.s glad to the the quality of your posts improving

It is indeed good sir, a fair point well put.

However, there common a perception that many hi-sec folk would then quit Eve.

I personally would not quit, unless hi-sec was nerfed to the point where I could not afford to replace my ganked frigates, and I do not believe CCP would ever nerf hi-sec to anything like this level.

Perhaps CCP could try moving some of the hi-sec benefits to lo and null sec on an incremental basis until the - quitters - if indeed there are any, start to impact on CCP's profits.

Nullsec must have a huge buff, then hisec can get a long series of small nerfs to gradually incentivize people into moving their iskmaking alts into nullsec. Not all, obviously, because a surprisingly large amount of people are seriously risk-averse, but for those who have looked upon nullsec as too much effort or impossible to do anything in even half-way profitably compared to hisec imports, these changes can combine to make it worth it again.

And this would benefit more than just the carebears, it would also benefit roaming gangs, since they would have more targets who can **** up on keeping safe. Wins all around. vOv

[quote=PeHD0M]Mineral prices? - supply & demand. Stop oversupply.

Funny, I thought it was to get people to move out of NPC corps.

Also christ, stop saying "iskies".


Actually, the only mechanic which isn't strictly there, is the "manufacturing cost based on item cost" (instead we do have the manufacturing installation cost and the running costs, but they're so small as to be negiligible), and I'll readily admit that was a bit over the top, but it was over the top to counter-balance what I can only hope was a troll post.

The problem I have with his post is that he's showing absolutely no regard for balance or sandboxyness.

In hisec, there's very little risk, you can easily autopilot freighters full of minerals etc around, you have tons of resources at your fingertips, and compared to nullsec, almost limitless manufacturing ability for very, very little money. In nullsec, the most common problem to actually building up an empire is that there's almost no industrial capacity as it is, and when a whole region can't compete with single systems in hisec, and this squarely because of serious game mechanics-induced limits, it should be pretty obvious what needs to be done.

As for all the mechanics for costs of doing anything in hisec, if CCP is actually worried about inflation, hisec would be the one place where they should go and up the costs. It likely wouldn't have to be as drastic as my "minimum 10% refinery tax" etc, as the hisec economy is huge, but I see absolutely no problem with slightly increasing costs in hisec across the board. After all, the people in hisec are receiving a huge security net and a vast convenience net in the form of an absolutely huge mound of various raw resources which are readily available to everyone. I'm sure the hisec empires would want to recoup the costs they sink into keeping all this running and secure, and these costs are rising steadily with the population.

You want to live somewhere where these costs are lower? You've got lowsec, NPC nullsec and conquerable nullsec for that, and if you're ambitious you can even choose to build your own empire in nullsec where all such taxes go to your pocket, to do with as you see fit.


Actually, it's posts like Kitty Bear's which makes the case for why hisec carebears shouldn't come near anything related to eve game design, because it shows a clear and distinct lack for both game balance, and the concept of "sandbox".

Hisec is where people should go for a safe, low effort and semi-profitable game experience. This should come with a cost, and it currently doesn't, not really. I suppose lowsec should have lower costs, since concord etc is less involved in protecting those areas, whereas conquerable nullsec should be entirely at the mercy of whomever owns the space. And, surprisingly, it is at the mercy of whomever owns the space, the problem with nullsec right now is that no matter how much we want to build up our infrastructure to the point where we can even begin to compete with (or let alone supercede) hisec, we can't. We're limited by the rules of the sandbox from making an empire in nullsec which would be able to compete with hisec, and as such a vast majority of everyone in nullsec do all their moneymaking, production and stocking up in hisec.

This is not as it should be, the imbalance between high, low and null are too vast in the favor of hisec. Nullsec needs to be released from a lot of the restrictions which currently restrain it, and hisec really does need to have some costs increased.

No, you do not.


No, they're not.


Wrong. Nullsec is a place where people go to build an empire. An empire includes people who live there and actually use the space. This should include "factories", and if you're really thinking that nullsec should be nothing but a huge warzone where every system is burning all day erry day, then yes, you really, really do not understand things better than me.

In fact, find out where, on this link, CCP says that nullsec should be nothing but a huge warzone:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946

What you seem to be under the impression of is, since nullsec has no NPC infrastructure, nullsec should end up having no manufacturing infrastructure either, I'm telling you that's ********, and that you're wrong, and that we can't spend our own money to build up the manufacturing capability because of huge game mechanic limits which have made nullsec dependent on hisec since the beginning of time.


You don't understand nullsec.

Bad copycat. :colbert:

There's letters seal'd: and my two schoolfellows,
Whom I will trust as I will adders fang'd,
They bear the mandate; they must sweep my way
And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;
For 'tis the sport to have the enginer
Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon: O, 'tis most sweet,
When in one line two crafts directly meet.

Just to be anal

Why did I not see that one coming, I must not spend enough time with children