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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-09-01 06:44:39 UTC
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You are a little behind the times. You haven't been able to doomsday subcaps for something like a year now. Also, with a decent sized gang a Cyclone can go down fairly quickly.


Yes ... 150 BC or Bigger ships will take it down fairly quickly.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-09-01 12:51:39 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
Quote:
You are a little behind the times. You haven't been able to doomsday subcaps for something like a year now. Also, with a decent sized gang a Cyclone can go down fairly quickly.


Yes ... 150 BC or Bigger ships will take it down fairly quickly.



Had a fight recently against 2 of these new XL-ASB/MWD Cyclones, well, we were not 150 but a couple HAC (lol Deimos) huggins/drakes/Tengu took a huge amount of time to ever take them down and one of Deimos just warp off out in time because someone was neuting one of those Cyclones.

The problem is not eh ship it self, it's just the silly XL-ASB on it. Now add more slots and HP to make it the new "I win" button with XL-ASB's, or just limit the size and number of ASB's that can be fitted on ships and make them very decent solo small gang ships.

brb
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-09-01 13:17:22 UTC
Alua Oresson wrote:
Darius Brinn wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:


Tier 1 BCs (CYCLONE) having more HP and slots? Hell yes.


How many Doomsdays will we need to bring down a double X-ASB Cyclone caught at a gate before it can reapproach at 1m/s, drop agro and jump, after these changes?


You are a little behind the times. You haven't been able to doomsday subcaps for something like a year now. Also, with a decent sized gang a Cyclone can go down fairly quickly.


Sigh...MMORPG communities. I keep forgetting.

Here you go, mate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
Lili Lu
#24 - 2012-09-01 18:27:36 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Tier 1 BCs (Propechy, Ferox, Brutix, Cyclone) having more HP and slots? Hell yes.
Tier 2 BCs (Harbinger, Drake, Myrmidon, Hurricane) having more HP and slots? Not a chance.
Tier 3 BCs are fine, except maybe for speed / signature radius.

The Battlecruiser class is a mess that needs to be cleansed with fire.

Realistically, you probably have to give the tier 1s an extra slot because we know you aren't going to take away a slot from tier 2s.

But why tf are you going to up their hp to tier 2 levels?What?It is just as simple to reduce tier 2 hp to tier 1 levels. And this will make your problems much less urgent with other ship classes.

Tier 3s, hmm. Does this mean you will be slightly nerfing their agility and speed? And I presume that means you will also be increasing their sig radius?
smokess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-09-07 07:35:36 UTC
Roime wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Tier 1 BCs (Propechy, Ferox, Brutix, Cyclone) having more HP and slots? Hell yes.
Tier 2 BCs (Harbinger, Drake, Myrmidon, Hurricane) having more HP and slots? Not a chance.
Tier 3 BCs are fine, except maybe for speed / signature radius.

The Battlecruiser class is a mess that needs to be cleansed with fire.

Are you planning on balancing the Harby and Myrm against the Drakeicane at all?


Hurricane: 18 slots
Drake: 18 slots
Harbinger: 18 slots
Myrmidon: 17 slots

Adding the missing low slot, giving the Myrm 100mbit/s and changing the rep amount bonus to resist bonus would be all that is needed to balance it, and even make it a viable option for fleets?


Leave the rep bonus alone!
Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#26 - 2012-09-07 09:44:29 UTC
smokess wrote:
Roime wrote:
[quote=Alara IonStorm]
Adding the missing low slot, giving the Myrm 100mbit/s and changing the rep amount bonus to resist bonus would be all that is needed to balance it, and even make it a viable option for fleets?


Leave the rep bonus alone!


Yeah , hell, will ya? I love my myrm just how it is right now, could use a little more bandwith though.


regards,

rob
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-09-07 12:20:48 UTC
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

Tier 1 BCs (Propechy, Ferox, Brutix, Cyclone) having more HP and slots? Hell yes.
Tier 2 BCs (Harbinger, Drake, Myrmidon, Hurricane) having more HP and slots? Not a chance.
Tier 3 BCs are fine, except maybe for speed / signature radius.

The Battlecruiser class is a mess that needs to be cleansed with fire.


I would like to offer a suggestion on what to do with the Prophecy. Some CCP employee (I don't remember the name, was it you?) suggested that it could be a drone ship. I think this is not a good idea because it would mean yet another ship with a -10% cap usage/level bonus but no actual damage bonus to lasers, and we know that has never worked out well on any hull. So please, don't make this mistake.

Of course you could also do a +10% drone damage per level plus +5% HAM or laser damage per level Prophecy but that seems a bit out of line.

I think everyone will agree that the Prophecy shouldn't be a clone of the Harbinger, and that it would be good to have a T1 HAM ship that serves as stepping stone to the Sacrilege. This also ties in with what to do with the T1 Amarr cruisers.

I believe the Prophecy should be the HAM ship so that the Maller can become the mini-Abaddon and the Omen can remain the mini-Zealot.

It would of course be good to have some T1 Amarrian cruiser that can use HAMs as well for a more continuous progression of the Khanid line of ships. The Arbitrator could be changed to have more launcher hardpoints. Unbonused HAM/Heavy Missiles work better than unbonused lasers on it. The HAMs compliment close-ranged energy neuting based fits, while Heavy Missiles have the range to compliment TD fits.

In my opinion, this distribution of weapon systems makes the most sense.


Yes to a Drone Prophecy, oh god yes,

HAM Arbitrators though? Hell no, HM Arbies maybe, but it's a TD/Drone boat it's not supposed to be up close

Kill it with Fire!

Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#28 - 2012-09-07 12:42:17 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Cedo Nulli wrote:
Quote:
You are a little behind the times. You haven't been able to doomsday subcaps for something like a year now. Also, with a decent sized gang a Cyclone can go down fairly quickly.


Yes ... 150 BC or Bigger ships will take it down fairly quickly.



Had a fight recently against 2 of these new XL-ASB/MWD Cyclones, well, we were not 150 but a couple HAC (lol Deimos) huggins/drakes/Tengu took a huge amount of time to ever take them down and one of Deimos just warp off out in time because someone was neuting one of those Cyclones.

The problem is not eh ship it self, it's just the silly XL-ASB on it. Now add more slots and HP to make it the new "I win" button with XL-ASB's, or just limit the size and number of ASB's that can be fitted on ships and make them very decent solo small gang ships.


I agree. I would like to see the Cyclone get an extra mid slot to have both point and web, but when combined with two XL-ASB it would just be too powerful. I am in favour of limiting ASB’s to 1 per ship.
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