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Any tips for getting a frightened "My shiny ship" carebear to pvp?

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2012-09-07 03:30:49 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Let him enjoy EVE in his own way, eventually he'll grow wealthy off pve content but also bored with it, in my opinion that's the time to introduce him to PVP.


Hahaha EVE's PvE content is crap, no, he won't grow wealthy off of it because he'll grow bored of it, and if he doesn't, he'll just leeroy a horribly fit machariel into a fight and get blown up by a couple of frigates before he ragequits

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#62 - 2012-09-07 03:33:30 UTC
I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#63 - 2012-09-07 04:58:11 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you.

Yeah, I mean my friends practically forced all those rifters on me.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#64 - 2012-09-07 05:53:25 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you.

And who do you think you are, telling the op not to decide how his friend should play the game?
William Walker
Northstar Cabal
#65 - 2012-09-07 06:17:37 UTC
Hi, I'm William and I hoard my ships in stations and never fly them. My highest spinning count was 4302. You just start spinning and then... you just can't stop.. I tried quitting a few times but I ... I just can't. I can't stop spinning.

Go out in frigates and die. Many times. This way he will get a feeling for death and since we are immortal he will get used to it after a while. Then you can carry on to watch yourself blow up in things like destroyers, battlecruisers, battleships - you name it!

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pussnheels
Viziam
#66 - 2012-09-07 07:09:25 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you.

And who do you think you are, telling the op not to decide how his friend should play the game?

because his friend is playing this game how he wants to play it anf not the way how some whitetrash teenagers want him tto play this game , it is his time and his subsceiption he does with it what he wants

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#67 - 2012-09-07 08:16:33 UTC
This is a pandemic in Eve in my opinion. I know of entire alliances of players who have this attitude, while simultaneously seemingly having problems managing their corps/alliances and not understanding why they can't keep it together.

I've never found an efficient method to get people to understand the importance of knowing how to PvP in this game and unfortunately the attitude of "I want to play Eve my way" results in a lot of broken and dysfunctional corps and alliance led by people who start every Eve conversation with "I don't like PvP".

To me its like saying, "I don't like Eve". Because if you don't like PvP, your playing the wrong game and you if don't know how to handle it as a corp leader, you have no business running a corp or being part of an alliance. Their is no greater tragedy than a corporation founded on the idea that they can avoid PvP. It leads to unprecedented amounts of failure in this game and tears on the forum.

Its a lesson that people seem to only learn through the hardship of getting blown up on someone else's terms.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
#68 - 2012-09-07 09:19:32 UTC
If your friend doesn't even want to fly a **** ship he didn't pay for and die in that then I'd suggest he probably isn't going to make it.

I believe with horses when they are broken you shoot them in the face. Get him a horse doctor.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-09-07 12:08:23 UTC
Make another character on your account, train up some of the essential skills, get a basic frigate setup, and ask him to play on that character for a while. And also tell him that the first thing he should do on that character is do the Career Missions.

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Ayuren Aakiwa
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-09-07 13:02:19 UTC
Maybe have some friends or kind inhabitants of eveo.com war dec him and just camp his home station. You could also just straight up give him a ship + a little extra isk to go pvp with you, have him join estel arador(sp) and get a free jump clone so he can't ***** about losing implants. Getting these people to pvp is one of the hardest parts of eve! Also constantly remind him this is a multiplayer pvp game and he's doing it wrong Big smile. If all else fails get him to mission with you and blow him up, if he rage quits eve probably isn't the game for him anyway.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#71 - 2012-09-07 13:09:11 UTC
Amaroq Dricaldari wrote:
Make another character on your account, train up some of the essential skills, get a basic frigate setup, and ask him to play on that character for a while. And also tell him that the first thing he should do on that character is do the Career Missions.

Oh, letting someone else use your account?

Sounds like something we shouldn't be recommending...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-09-07 13:35:21 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you.


+1. For some holier-than-thou people in this game "sandbox" means playing the game according to their narrow definition of what sandbox means....

Bring your possibles.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#73 - 2012-09-07 13:44:21 UTC
Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you.


+1. For some holier-than-thou people in this game "sandbox" means playing the game according to their narrow definition of what sandbox means....

And here I was going to try and see if I couldn't send his friend a 6pack of minmatar t1 fit frigates.

Well I'll just give them to some newbie. It's hard to get them to highsec from here anyway.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-09-07 15:02:44 UTC
1) Find something he really likes (ship or module) and contract it to him, for free, in Amamake.
2) When you are sure he's going for the stuff, contract 20 Incursus/Merlins/Rifters to him. In the same station.

If the lust for vengeance (for the ships he WILL lose) and the eagerness to escape with the price do not sharpen his teeth and leave him begging for more fireworks, nothing will and he will never get into PvP.

Alternatively, arrange a mock fight with him and lose on purpose, but make it a thrilling and close call.

Or you could always blow his shiny toys yourself, for him to realize they're just polygons and pixels, and that (apart from time), he really lost nothing.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Noctis
Shoot First.
#75 - 2012-09-07 15:11:01 UTC
Give him cheap ships (whatever qualifies as cheap to you) and get him to follow you into fights.

He'll get addicted to the adrenaline.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#76 - 2012-09-07 15:36:29 UTC
Deena Amaj wrote:

Just a reminder, you can't gank what never undocks ;).



I think that the "testing fittiing/tank theory" idea is a good one. Give that a shot. Then while doing that have an alt pilot a throw-away nado out to the safe where yall are "dueling" and alpha the holy amarr out of him. Shiny ship assplodes. You help him refit and exact revenge on the "terrible pirate" that gave him surprise buttsexx and destroyed his bling mobile. He feels the sting of defeat, grieves the loss of his "precious" and can be reborn victorious in his righteous revenge.

Cool

I'm right behind you
Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
#77 - 2012-09-07 17:13:55 UTC
I like the rifter contract idea, wish I had that option, sp training needs to speed up some, so training with no implants has feasible training times. Watching the skill queue is not fun.
ShiftyMcFly's Second Cousin
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-09-07 17:28:11 UTC
Let people find their own way.

Not everyone has the same reasons, motivations, and sense of reward for the different aspects of gameplay possible within Eve, or any other game.

Finding yourself in a position where you feel you need to force someone into some behavior that you think is best for them and more inline with your own, is often a sign of a serious issue within yourself.

Medude
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-09-07 17:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Medude
The T1 frig tourny idea is a good one as has started to take out the fear of things going pop from
me and with any luck may actually drag myself out on a roam with alliance mates this weekend.

The main thing with the tourny for me is that I expected to die horribly in a fire in the first round,
but ended up coming third and getting a nice shiny prize :) (although the nice MSE Merlin fit may have carried me a bit)
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-09-07 18:31:42 UTC
Have your friend join a pvp training corp like ours, where T1 frigates & training are corp provided and people are expected to go down in flames on losec roams while they learn, with no actual requirement to pvp. :)

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