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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-09-06 21:29:46 UTC
It's where we discuss generals.
There are none in EVE, so instead we spam the **** out of it with random other EVE related crap.
So really everything is off topic.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#22 - 2012-09-06 21:39:02 UTC
Methesda wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:

We know there is some perception that certain child forums are graveyards, but surely by the actions of us moving appropriate content to the right place, activity will be directed where it needs to be ?


No way, that's ass about face! People don't go to sub-forums because you move stuff there! Who the f thought that up?



Thanks for the feedback, I totally understand what you're saying but I fear that you might have misunderstood what I was saying.
People go to sub-forums because its of interest to them, not because we move stuff .

My comment regarding directing activity is simple to indicate that if more posts are in the right place, then simply perusing the forum index will show activity in the right place. People will start using the child forums correctly.

Regarding your suggested sub-forum changes, can I suggest that you post over at the Features and Ideas forum?

Thanks.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Josef Djugashvilis
#23 - 2012-09-06 22:09:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
General Discussion is for the ordinary EVE player to make foolish, factually incorrect, poorly reasoned posts, which certain august persons such as myself, Akita and Tippia can then amuse ourselves with.

And the life cycle of the forum continues in it's natural majesty.


I assume you are poking fun at yourself by putting yourself in the same class at Akita T.

This is not a signature.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-09-06 22:22:14 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
trolling?
toasting?


Always Lol

brb
Frying Doom
#25 - 2012-09-06 23:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Methesda wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:

We know there is some perception that certain child forums are graveyards, but surely by the actions of us moving appropriate content to the right place, activity will be directed where it needs to be ?


No way, that's ass about face! People don't go to sub-forums because you move stuff there! Who the f thought that up?



Thanks for the feedback, I totally understand what you're saying but I fear that you might have misunderstood what I was saying.
People go to sub-forums because its of interest to them, not because we move stuff .

My comment regarding directing activity is simple to indicate that if more posts are in the right place, then simply perusing the forum index will show activity in the right place. People will start using the child forums correctly.

Regarding your suggested sub-forum changes, can I suggest that you post over at the Features and Ideas forum?

Thanks.

No I think you missed the point that a lot of the sub forums you are moving threads too, have so few people visiting them you could count them on one hand. The fact that most threads stay in GD even though they can be fitted into a child forum is the also a problem. Some threads are moved while others are not or the worst part being when a thread remains in GD for 30+ pages and then is moved.

As has been shown over the last 12 months or more moving threads does not cause people to look in the massive number of child forums, it just causes the thread to die.

Edit: and on the subject of "Features and Ideas" as you brought it up, could you explain the difference between "Features and Ides" and the "Assembly Hall" as they are both for new or improving features and ideas.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-09-06 23:37:57 UTC
I'd just make the forums all into 1 big super forum Big smile

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-09-07 00:08:10 UTC
I subscribed to my first thread this morning, Petreus' thread that was moved. Why, because I do not go to the sub forums, and I believe many are like me. The thread in question had a very active post rate, until it was moved.

I also found myself asking this question on certain locks, usually for lack of content, even though it is related to Eve. So what is General discussion for? Topics with content will all qualify for a particular sub forum (with seemingly arbitrary moves to those sub forums), and topics with less content get locks.

In the thread in question, I think it is because certain players started reporting the thread knowing it would be sent to the graveyard; and we all know the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

Just a shame that active discussion gets killed so many times because of a move to a sub forum.

James315 for CSM 8!
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-09-07 00:35:20 UTC
I agree Abel.

General Discussion is what it is... by definition no Eve related post should ever be moved out of GD.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-09-07 00:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Abel Merkabah wrote:
In the thread in question, I think it is because certain players started reporting the thread knowing it would be sent to the graveyard; and we all know the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Hardly, Jita Park Speaker's Corner is a very active section devoted to topics concerning the CSM, any topic concerning the CSM obviously belongs there. Topics concerning the CSM are not general in nature but in fact quite specific, and should be kept to the area intended for them.

"A place for everything and everything in it's place." - Benjamin Franklin 
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-09-07 00:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Methesda
Paul Olive wrote:
Topics concerning the CSM are not general in nature but in fact quite specific, and should be kept to the area intended for them.


Again, this is odd logic. No specific topic is 'general in nature'. What kind of an argument are you making here?

Ship topics are not general, but about ships.

Market topics are not general, but about market.

It's great that you feel your favoured corner of the forum has a lot of traffic, but it doesn't change the overall point of this topic, which is the differing standards to which people (in general*) and the ISD (specifically*) hold threads in general discussion.

General gets the most foot traffic, because most people like to go to one forum to get their latest eve news, and in all likelihood, leave once they've finished browsing that forum.

The irony that I've been told to put my 'idea' (lol) for making the forum structure less complicated into a relatively low traffic sub-forum... it reminds me of a government (I've lived under a couple) that puts up white papers for referendum on a small corner of the govt website, unless it's a paper that benefits them, and they are confident they will have public support, in which case it's on the National News!

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#31 - 2012-09-07 01:12:57 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi Petrus,

I'm sorry if you've ever had the impression that a thread has been moved because "ISD don't like it".
Please feel free to use the report button or send a petition in if you think this is the case, but I hope you can trust me when I say, we do not practice that as policy and would view the any moderator who did so, very dimly.

General discussion is, generally as it would seem, here for discussing EVE things that can't simply be qualified by one of the child forums.

We know there is some perception that certain child forums are graveyards, but surely by the actions of us moving appropriate content to the right place, activity will be directed where it needs to be ?

Hope this helps you understand the ISD perspective.

I know the ISD works hard to keep the forums going and keep them being great places to talk. The "threads you don't like" part was intended more towards report-zealous forumgoers than towards ISD and CCP.

The problem with directing forum activity to the child forum it belongs is that not all threads are intended for the child forum -- something that may not be readily apparent. For a poor comparison, it's the difference between an article appearing in National Geographic versus the European Journal of Wildlife Research. Snipping one from the former and putting it in the latter only gives it to the wrong audience, where it doesn't effectively give its message out.

Maybe I'm just whining and soapboxing, but hey... it's General Discussion!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-09-07 01:30:33 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Dear James 315 alt - sorry your thread was moved to the sub-forum designed for CSM discussion. No brainer there sparky.

I am not a James 315 alt and never even forum post on my own alts.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-09-07 02:37:48 UTC
GD is generally for discussing things I'd say

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frying Doom
#34 - 2012-09-07 02:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Paul Oliver wrote:
Hardly, Jita Park Speaker's Corner is a very active section devoted to topics concerning the CSM, any topic concerning the CSM obviously belongs there. Topics concerning the CSM are not general in nature but in fact quite specific, and should be kept to the area intended for them.

"A place for everything and everything in it's place." - Benjamin Franklin

I see, you like most people, don't go there very often except during the elections.

“There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches.”
― Ray Bradbury

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#35 - 2012-09-07 02:43:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
GD is generally for discussing things I'd say

With so many child forums their would be nothing left except people talking about the weatherSmile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#36 - 2012-09-07 02:44:18 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

No I think you missed the point that a lot of the sub forums you are moving threads too, have so few people visiting them you could count them on one hand. The fact that most threads stay in GD even though they can be fitted into a child forum is the also a problem. Some threads are moved while others are not or the worst part being when a thread remains in GD for 30+ pages and then is moved.

As has been shown over the last 12 months or more moving threads does not cause people to look in the massive number of child forums, it just causes the thread to die.

Edit: and on the subject of "Features and Ideas" as you brought it up, could you explain the difference between "Features and Ides" and the "Assembly Hall" as they are both for new or improving features and ideas.


Thank you for your feedback!

You mention a number of issues here, but I can't and won't enter into a debate; CCP have stated the rules and therefore we will implement those rules.

it's not up to CCL to decide which forum rules we can and can't enforce and so we will move the threads that need moving, as soon as we can.

Sadly, as soon as we can is limited by our numbers and time-zone coverage; if you'd like to help out, we are recruiting and very anxious to hear from people.
if you can't commit to that, then please use the Report button when you see something off, and someone in CCL will investigate as soon as is possible.

My personal opinion is however thus: Making these forums a better place is something that concerns every member of CCL and every player in EVE. The only way we can to do that is by having an agreed set of guidelines; and following them.

To answer your edit, the Assembly hall is used to suggest ideas to the CSM, the Features and Ideas forum is used to present ideas directly to CCP.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-09-07 02:45:43 UTC
"Some people think I am gay, which I think is awesome." ~Daniel Radcliffe

I can do this too Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Frying Doom
#38 - 2012-09-07 02:51:16 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

No I think you missed the point that a lot of the sub forums you are moving threads too, have so few people visiting them you could count them on one hand. The fact that most threads stay in GD even though they can be fitted into a child forum is the also a problem. Some threads are moved while others are not or the worst part being when a thread remains in GD for 30+ pages and then is moved.

As has been shown over the last 12 months or more moving threads does not cause people to look in the massive number of child forums, it just causes the thread to die.

Edit: and on the subject of "Features and Ideas" as you brought it up, could you explain the difference between "Features and Ides" and the "Assembly Hall" as they are both for new or improving features and ideas.


Thank you for your feedback!

You mention a number of issues here, but I can't and won't enter into a debate; CCP have stated the rules and therefore we will implement those rules.

it's not up to CCL to decide which forum rules we can and can't enforce and so we will move the threads that need moving, as soon as we can.

Sadly, as soon as we can is limited by our numbers and time-zone coverage; if you'd like to help out, we are recruiting and very anxious to hear from people.
if you can't commit to that, then please use the Report button when you see something off, and someone in CCL will investigate as soon as is possible.

My personal opinion is however thus: Making these forums a better place is something that concerns every member of CCL and every player in EVE. The only way we can to do that is by having an agreed set of guidelines; and following them.

To answer your edit, the Assembly hall is used to suggest ideas to the CSM, the Features and Ideas forum is used to present ideas directly to CCP.

My apologies, I applied and they decline me on the basis that I was a power hungry, insane, nut job..

but seriously the biggest problem is with so many child forums a lot of the remaining threads should really be moved as well, take a"Barge fairy tale" with the OP
Herr Wilkus wrote:
***DISCLAIMER: This OP was originally longer, more entertaining, and actually made sense.
Here is the link to the original on eve-search.
Eve Search: its where you go if you want to see the full context of a thread before its mangled beyond recognition.

Cargo Hulk, Yield Hulk, Tank Hulk, those were the choices - all with drawbacks.

Cargo - for a Hybrid Exhumer/Hauler, with a risky AFK 'cruise control' option.
Yield - to maximize returns with friends providing transport.
Tank - 30-40K EHP to discourage/thwart gankers.
(and really, one could still put up a reasonable tank on either Cargo or Yield fit Hulks, if they used the mid-slots....Roll)

But choices are dangerous things. Given the choice, miners will take cargo/yield every time - and then they are ganked. The rare, clever miner who tanked his Hulk; well, he weathered the storm - and reaped the benefits as mineral prices rose.

But throw that out the window, just give the whining miners all three.

So, good game, CCP.
Good to know we are still steaming, full speed ahead! - towards Hello-Kitty highsec, a paradise for stupid gameplay.

Edit: Trolling removed, CCP Phantom


Is that not an idea, so should it not go in features and ideas?

If you move some you should move all that fit into child forums. I don't agree with it but if you follow the rule for some you must for all.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#39 - 2012-09-07 02:57:41 UTC
^ Its been a hot day today in GD hasn't it.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-09-07 02:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
rodyas wrote:
^ Its been a hot day today in GD hasn't it.


I dunno, in OOP today I said the one thing (for today) that's going to send me to hell Cool

Then it's just a matter of knocking off the devil and taking his place Pirate

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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