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Wendi O Williams
Hudahel
#1 - 2012-09-05 17:49:58 UTC
Ok so I'm still in the Trial period, I decided to live in a Pirate Faction station in 0.0 and run missions for them. So I make the journey in a noobship uneventfully (except for a bubble once but nobody was around unless they were cloaked) and I get to the station and start chatting with the locals.

They are a friendly bunch for the most part, a few offered advice and really tried valiantly to help me out with finding a corp in hisec (thanks dudes). Some other advice was to go back to hi sec or I'd get blown up until I got discouraged to which I responded that I had set my clone there and they could blow me up all they want I'll just return to station. I also remarked that before anyone lock me as a defenseless noob, they should consider that I will remember and when I skill up enough I will find them and kill them. I do expect they will kill me a lot LOL.

Anyways, I've got a sugar daddy alt in hisec that supports me out here very well with the iskies - I'm getting all the skillbooks I need and locating ships and fittings just fine. Got like a dozen safes in system and fast undocks set too. So anyways long story short (too late! lol): Anything I might be missing as far as surviving out here? Besides "go back home to hisec, noob"?
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#2 - 2012-09-05 18:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dradius Calvantia
As a fellow NPC null denizen, go red flashy immediately. This way, the temptation to go back to high sec will be gone.

Edit: By the way, I think you are making the right decision. You are going to have a hard time figuring things out, keeping your self supplied, and even just accomplishing the most basic of tasks in 0.0 with out any experience. It will be 1 million times more interesting than anything those pubbie scrublords in high sec have ever done with their billions of safely made isk they never actually spend.
Wendi O Williams
Hudahel
#3 - 2012-09-05 19:51:13 UTC
Thanks for the support, Drad Blink

By going flashy red do you mean just shoot at anything and everything?

I'm curious: what'll happen if I shoot at the station out here? Do I get lowered standing with the owner faction?
(stuck at work and can't try it out)

Also, the belt rats, I will have to make sure not to shoot any that are of my station's faction - correct?
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#4 - 2012-09-05 19:51:13 UTC
Nullsec is not nearly as hard to survive in as its made out as. Having been living in Curse for a while, if you can avoid the camps ( use instawarps, undock when its quiet, and fly straight away in the direction you undock from until you are off grid from the station, this lets you undock and instawarp so there is no align time) you should be okay. Fitting microwarpdrives on everything helps too, if someone scans you down in a mission area or somesuch, you can burn away and get out.
And most of all, don't be afraid to die. Just die laughing and fit out a new ship.

Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#5 - 2012-09-05 20:23:55 UTC
Red Flashy just means that you are bellow -5.0 sec status which allows other players and the faction navies to shoot you when you are in high sec. You get there by agressing other players, blowing them up, or poding them in high or low. I am not sure if shooting stations/gate guns/npcs lowers your sec status or not but it will lower your faction standing.

If your faction standing with a group that own space (the four empires) is low enough then their gate guns and faction naives will hunt you in their space just as if you had a low sec status.

Note, this is different than Concord which will insta kill you and only respond to a GCC. Faction navies are avoidable in fast ships.
Tinja Soikutsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-05 21:36:43 UTC
Just gotta say that you got balls starting out in 0.0 space and going pirate.

Brave? Making your way? Just plain crazy?

Who knows...
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-09-05 23:31:12 UTC
Tinja Soikutsu wrote:
Just gotta say that you got balls starting out in 0.0 space and going pirate.

Brave? Making your way? Just plain crazy?

Who knows...


It's a respectable start

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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#8 - 2012-09-06 06:35:02 UTC
Wendi O Williams wrote:
Anything I might be missing as far as surviving out here? Besides "go back home to hisec, noob"?


Without the survival part, what are your goals? What do you desire to achieve in the short-term, mid-term and long-term range?

I think since you will be in nullsec for a while (good job that is awesome) you should start on short-term on increasing your capabilities in frigates and eventually branch out to T2 frigs, assault frigates, electronic frigs if that floats your boat and all that kind of stuff. You will be nimble and can dictate your engagements as well as quickly avoid any bigger camps. You can roam around and shoot ratters or people you just don't like. Especially fun if you go in cloaky, so train stealth bombers then as well.

Mid-term I'd say you would be looking at battlecruisers and I bet you will have a corp by then so see what their focus is, by then you might even be somewhere else, who knows. Battlecruisers, battleships and if you like the sneaky way go for recon ships.

Long-term is up to you and how it develops. Since money isn't a problem you will be very flexible, consider however ways to acquire ISK yourself be it by ransoming, looting or robbing and pillaging. It gives you a sense of value of your ships as well as satisfaction knowing that the money you earned and invested in this ship helped kill that tengu/mackinaw/atron.

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-09-06 10:42:09 UTC
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
As a fellow NPC null denizen, go red flashy immediately. This way, the temptation to go back to high sec will be gone.

You can't go flashy red in null. A lot of people actually go to null to improve their security standing. How can you claim to be a null denizen and not know that?
Papa Sotken
Nothing Comes To Mind
Snuffed Out
#10 - 2012-09-06 10:49:29 UTC
^ lol knows his stuff.

I started recently and i jumped headfirst into lowsec FW PVP, people might say its less dangerous than NPC Null but im unsure. Different situation but still very difficult to get stuck into from no knowledge of Eve and i've died many many times. Probably took 30-40 losses at lowsec gatecamps before i finally said "Yo forget going through amamake"

Im at -4.8 so not flashy red yet but can't access high sec, i use a hauler alt i made to move stuff for me.

I definetly think you are doing the right thing hopping straight into a challenging scenario, you'll enjoy it more.

I'd reccomend trying to find a newbie friendly corp whenever you can so you can learn to pvp more(its safer in groups and your mistakes are less noticable) Just to increase how comfortable you are with pvp.

Anyway, good luck.

Zebra Corp
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#11 - 2012-09-06 13:26:27 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
As a fellow NPC null denizen, go red flashy immediately. This way, the temptation to go back to high sec will be gone.

You can't go flashy red in null. A lot of people actually go to null to improve their security standing. How can you claim to be a null denizen and not know that?


NPC null is rather close to low sec, and you will often find your self roaming there in search of targets. Even occasional trips will quickly lead to a tanked sec status.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#12 - 2012-09-06 13:58:45 UTC
at this time I wouldn't "GO" flashy red, reason you may need to go to hi sec to buy some ship or somthing on the fly alt or no alt, you don't want to "SHOOT" at locals just yet cause you may find out you bit off more than you can chew, you want to be friendly with locals they are the ones who will help you and point you in a direction if its PVP your after there's plenty just be sure who is a neighbor and who's a marauder out for pewpew in 0.0, just use good judgment before shooting everything and everybody PICK your targets carefully otherwise you'll become the target.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-06 14:12:25 UTC
Just make sure you have ways of getting the **** you need from highsec. Yeah you can buy the stuff you need in null but usually if its on the market its marked up pretty bad.

Joining a corp might be a good idea for you as they may have a logistics chain to help you. Stay in nullsec have a blast. Just know that when you want to do something PVE like, any one who shows up in your system may have other plans for you.

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Wendi O Williams
Hudahel
#14 - 2012-09-06 14:41:01 UTC
Yeah I'm prone to just minding my own business, being the new kid and all that - don't want to get on anyone's bad side if I don't have to. Friends are a precious commodity out here I'm sure.

The stuff out here is sometimes eye-bleeding expensive, but I really don't feel like schlepping to hisec everytime I need something. Besides, Sugar Daddy has deep pockets lol.

My goals...well, I want to be able to become self-suffcient at some point, join a good corp, have some good times, make friends and kill enemies.
...And have people fear me when I go back to visit hisec.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-09-06 17:20:19 UTC
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
As a fellow NPC null denizen, go red flashy immediately. This way, the temptation to go back to high sec will be gone.

Edit: By the way, I think you are making the right decision. You are going to have a hard time figuring things out, keeping your self supplied, and even just accomplishing the most basic of tasks in 0.0 with out any experience. It will be 1 million times more interesting than anything those pubbie scrublords in high sec have ever done with their billions of safely made isk they never actually spend.




Are you sure you live in nullsec? Because you can shoot at people until your heart is content in nullsec and never go red flashy. You must go to lowsec or highsec and gank people to get red flashy

FC, what do?
Iakop
Insanity Reigns
#16 - 2012-09-06 18:31:24 UTC
I have heard something to the effect that missioning for pirate corps sends you to fight concord ships, and that killing them lowers your sec status.

Shooting at belt rats lowers not only your standing with the faction, but also your standing with the corp the rats belong to, that is different from mission rats or anom/sig rats, that might be a problem if you plan on getting your income from missioning for pirate factions.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-07 14:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
Iakop wrote:
Shooting at belt rats lowers not only your standing with the faction, but also your standing with the corp the rats belong to, that is different from mission rats or anom/sig rats, that might be a problem if you plan on getting your income from missioning for pirate factions.

As I recall from my time in Stain (Sansha pirates) and I'd imagine it would be the same for all other pirate factions. Shooting the pirate belt rats doesn't trash your standing with the pirate agents. The Sansha agents were all from two distinct corps - True Power and True Creations and no rats exists from these corps. Obviously if you trash your Faction standing with Sansha Nation, you have to start at the very bottom with both corps. But you can raise your standing with each corp and mission with them while continuing to slaughter the Sansha rats in the belts.
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#18 - 2012-09-10 06:44:44 UTC
Iakop wrote:
I have heard something to the effect that missioning for pirate corps sends you to fight concord ships, and that killing them lowers your sec status.


Probably not CONCORD -- they're unbeatable for a reason. Killing faction-friendly ships will lower your status with that faction, though.
Velarra
#19 - 2012-09-10 07:27:46 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Iakop wrote:
I have heard something to the effect that missioning for pirate corps sends you to fight concord ships, and that killing them lowers your sec status.


Probably not CONCORD -- they're unbeatable for a reason. Killing faction-friendly ships will lower your status with that faction, though.


The Blockade mission in pirate space is vs. Concord DED ships.

There's no sec standing hit for killing them either. However you will lose standing to The Concord Assembly. Who have sov space in the same region you may choose to do the SoE arc later in your career.

The consequences of this (vast amounts of painful PVE grinding & juggling standings values), may or may not be something you'll care about much later in your career.