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Adeleda Adoudel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-09-05 23:07:41 UTC
LOL fail. Everyone already pointed out the main flaw in your post, but also Plex doesn't punish the RL poor. It helps people who are good enough to get 500m a month but can't afford $15 a month.
Just saying.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#22 - 2012-09-05 23:12:03 UTC
Methesda wrote:
Doddy wrote:
So the player buys a plex for isk and the isk disappears, ccp is giving away free game time......

Thats a good business plan.


It's a very good business plan. If even some of the players that use Plex to fun their accounts simply stop playing the Eve economy would shrink.

Also, I'm not sure why you think that CCP are giving away 'free' time. They don't. Plexes are not free.

Now I don't pretend to be an expert, but people who want to make statements about the state of the Eve Economy need to realise that there are full time, professional economists working for CCP, before making brash, unresearched, baseless arguments based on impulsive and incomplete understanding of the problem.


This is what the OP wants to do. No more player bought plex to sell on market for what they deem to be a competitive price.
But to have CCP sell plex straight as isk and have that isk vanish from the game.

This would lead to CCP not making any money from Plex and giving away game time for your game time spent making it at some isk faucet.

Bad idea is bad. Plex is not a faucet. Just makes people suck on real faucets harder like incursions, missions, bounties.
Better sinks are possible without gutting a good money source for CCP. The war deck cost boost to 50m is an example.
C O'Brien
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-09-05 23:31:22 UTC
Why is the OP so mad? You realize PLEX is for people who don't like to pay real money for game. They alt mine their butt off and buy some PLEX.Working as intended.
Orzo Torasson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-09-06 00:23:25 UTC
I've always thought of it this way: selling a PLEX means a stranger is paying you ~450 mil ISK in order for you to pay their subscription that month.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#25 - 2012-09-06 02:20:56 UTC
I've cleaned the thread. Keep it civil folks. It's up to you to post constructively.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-09-06 03:35:54 UTC
/double_facepalm @ op

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#27 - 2012-09-06 03:40:46 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taranius,

You have leapt right over the main motivation of your argument: you mentioned that your friend can afford much nicer ships than you. This implies that you think frigates are not nice ships. A pox on you! You should enjoy the power and beauty of your frigate.

If you don't have enough ISK to blow up a dozen frigates a week, learn how to make more ISK.


This. So much this.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-09-06 03:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
What the hell is he talking about? What?


ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I've cleaned the thread. Keep it civil folks. It's up to you to post constructively.


I would never dream about not posting constructively

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Frying Doom
#29 - 2012-09-06 04:22:24 UTC
Now I have been called insane in other threads for talking about educating the populous.

So what I would like to know is if it is considered constructive If I suggest the OP is educated with a cattle prodLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Doddy
Excidium.
#30 - 2012-09-06 08:49:55 UTC
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:
if you want to lower inflation you need to get CCP to either shut off the ISK faucets or make the sinks bigger.

~Faucets are anything that creates value in the form of ISK or Product out of thin air
~Sinks are anything that takes value away without a return in product or ISK

i'll let you figure out where they are in this game becuase there are many and they are varied. they are also sacred cows that CCP must be careful in dealing with for the wrath of internet spacepilots is quick to attract and ugly to witness.

the only other way to do it is more ships need to explode becuase in the ships and mods is inherent ISK value. when those ships and mods get destroyed that value is erased.

hope this helps.


You don't get it.
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-09-06 09:24:44 UTC
Surely this thread has run it's course. How many ways are there to tell someone that PLEX don't add isk to the game.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#32 - 2012-09-06 09:41:03 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I've cleaned the thread. Keep it civil folks. It's up to you to post constructively.


I would if the OP had a point to discuss. He doesn't.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-09-06 09:46:30 UTC
ISD BiscuitThief wrote:
Have cleaned troll, bait, off topic and otherwise derailing posts from the thread.

I may have missed some, I'm new, so please report where needed.

You haven't cleaned the OP, because it's a troll too.
I'll silently say "I told you so" when you lock the thread.
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-09-06 09:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Solstice Project wrote:
ISD BiscuitThief wrote:
Have cleaned troll, bait, off topic and otherwise derailing posts from the thread.

I may have missed some, I'm new, so please report where needed.

You haven't cleaned the OP, because it's a troll too.
I'll silently say "I told you so" when you lock the thread.


Edit: snipped personal attack. ISD Suvetar

Plex - Brought with RL Money

Player buys plex from market

ISK does not leave game

I.e not enuff sinks in the game, leads to inflation, standard market 101 irl as is eve market.

Unfortunately your to damn stupid to understand what i was saying because you are to busy trying to be a smart ass and troll this thread like the last two pages of responses

Typical eve elitist bull crap :)
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-09-06 10:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
ISD BiscuitThief wrote:
Have cleaned troll, bait, off topic and otherwise derailing posts from the thread.

I may have missed some, I'm new, so please report where needed.

You haven't cleaned the OP, because it's a troll too.
I'll silently say "I told you so" when you lock the thread.


Edit: snipped personal attack. ISD Suvetar

Plex - Brought with RL Money

Player buys plex from market

ISK does not leave game

I.e not enuff sinks in the game, leads to inflation, standard market 101 irl as is eve market.

Unfortunately your to damn stupid to understand what i was saying because you are to busy trying to be a smart ass and troll this thread like the last two pages of responses

Typical eve elitist bull crap :)




You started the opening post by say

Taranius De Consolville wrote:
I believe that a massive ISK inflation is the PLEX.


Which is clearly wrong, PLEX do not create isk inflation they simply move isk around. No isk is being added and non removed although in the case of the removed part it's not quite true as you have to pay the market charges when selling the PLEX.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#36 - 2012-09-06 10:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
ISD BiscuitThief wrote:
Have cleaned troll, bait, off topic and otherwise derailing posts from the thread.

I may have missed some, I'm new, so please report where needed.

You haven't cleaned the OP, because it's a troll too.
I'll silently say "I told you so" when you lock the thread.


Edit: snipped personal attack. ISD Suvetar

Plex - Brought with RL Money

Player buys plex from market

ISK does not leave game

I.e not enuff sinks in the game, leads to inflation, standard market 101 irl as is eve market.

Unfortunately your to damn stupid to understand what i was saying because you are to busy trying to be a smart ass and troll this thread like the last two pages of responses

Typical eve elitist bull crap :)


You're,

If you want to discuss isk sinks then talk don't bring PLEX into it. You're too damn stupid to make a coherent post.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#37 - 2012-09-06 10:12:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hi

a player in my corp who left recently had 42 billion ISK as he brought two plexes a week non stop since he started playing, he has ships and fits i could only dream of having.


Yes, but does he actually know how to fly them?

In EVE you can have the best gear there is, one mistake, one miscalculation, one guy you didn't notice in local and your fancy gear is pixel dust and on top of that its gone forever. :P
CCP Xhagen
C C P
C C P Alliance
#38 - 2012-09-06 10:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Taranius De Consolville wrote:

Edit: snipped personal attack. ISD Suvetar

Plex - Brought with RL Money

Player buys plex from market

ISK does not leave game

I.e not enuff sinks in the game, leads to inflation, standard market 101 irl as is eve market.

Unfortunately your to damn stupid to understand what i was saying because you are to busy trying to be a smart ass and troll this thread like the last two pages of responses

Typical eve elitist bull crap :)

You are partially right, i.e. PLEX CAN affect the inflation of the ISK but not in the manner you suggest, i.e. not removing ISK from the economy, but more by monetary velocity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_of_money

You can get more information about the Inflation of ISK (for 2011 at least) here http://youtu.be/7MZD6-vGQms?t=23m14s

CCP Xhagen | Associate Producer | @strangelocation
Doddy
Excidium.
#39 - 2012-09-06 10:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Methesda wrote:
Doddy wrote:
So the player buys a plex for isk and the isk disappears, ccp is giving away free game time......

Thats a good business plan.


It's a very good business plan. If even some of the players that use Plex to fun their accounts simply stop playing the Eve economy would shrink.

Also, I'm not sure why you think that CCP are giving away 'free' time. They don't. Plexes are not free.

Now I don't pretend to be an expert, but people who want to make statements about the state of the Eve Economy need to realise that there are full time, professional economists working for CCP, before making brash, unresearched, baseless arguments based on impulsive and incomplete understanding of the problem.


How are plex not free if ccp is selling them to players for isk without another player paying for the game time? Did you even read the op? Would that perhaps mean you are making brash, unresearched, baseless arguments based on impulsive and incomplete understanding of the thread?
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-09-06 10:55:57 UTC
As a new player I must admit I don't like the idea of PLEX, particularly the way it is advertised, I understand it from a business perspective but thats kind of the problem, in my short time playing the PLEX concept has been the only thing that had blatantly "breached the fourth wall" it's pretty tacky. It's like CCP say "yeah were all for immersion and serious internet spaceships, but wait whats this a money making oppurtunity? Screw immersion"

Poorly handled in my opinion, devalues ISK in the eyes of new players even if it is more of a subconscious thing more than an actual tangible thing, it's a shame.

I COULD play EVE next week and run missions, mine, do other money making things, so I have enough ISK to PVP come the weekend but whats the point when I can just buy a PLEX for, lets face it a low sum of real life money and then sell that for ISK to fund PVP, it's fine if all I wanted from my game was a PVP experience, but how long can that last really?

How many people do you think skip the making money sections of the game and jump straight to PLEX for ISK PVP? How many of them burn out after a few months? Do you think they will ever return? How long is that a sustainable business model?

In short, I think CCP sacrifice subscriber longentivity for instant cash injections, making more off of the average player over a shorter time. Assuming a fair degree of competence on CCP's part, there are only two reasons for this I can see, CCP don't expect EVE to last the next 3 to 4 years, or CCP became financially troubled recently.

Either way, I'll stay away from PLEX and those that use them as best as I can, it should however be interesting to see how this business model works for CCP, as far as I know this is the first time something like this has been done.