EVE General Discussion

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not sure why removing +attribute implants would be a good thing in any way shape or form.

As a new player who spent a relative fortune on a set to help train all these skills a little bit faster I find the idea of putting them in jeopardy by pvping to be most unfun.

So as much as I hate agreeing with these nerf threads I gotta admit the idea of losing implants does turn me off of pvp a lot more than just losing a cheap ship.

I'm coming in late... but I think altering attribute implant slots is a reasonable idea.

I think an interesting option would be to keep attribute implants in game, but make them illegal to have or use in highsec, such that if you detected with them, you will gain a suspect flag. Allow ship scanners to detect them... This will make their use in highsec interesting and risky. Hell, all implants for slots 1-5 should just be illegal <-- This would be really interesting actually!!!

Another option... increase the align time of capsules, so that a very-fast-locking inty can tackle capsules cold-warping from gate cloak.... This wouldn't really solve the primary problem of implants discouraging PvP, but instead would increase the death rate of capsules, potentially amplifying the disouragement...

I don't see a particular NEED for attribute implants, and i kind of feel like they are wasted implant slots.... When I first started living in nullsec, I used primarily +2's.... these days I almost always use +4's... and just accept the implants as part of my clone upgrade costs...

Hasn't it dawned on you yet that it is a non-issue, that boils down to choice, that a small fraction of players are turning into a issue?

I'd question your right to existence if you can't spot the flawed logic behind the reasoning to remove learning implants.

The funny thing is that if this sentiment was adhered to we never would have had the removal of the learning skills. Sometimes it is good to go back and re-evaluate your designs.

It already takes a very long time to train skills in this game...no attribute implants would add so much time on higher level ones that it would just not be enjoyable anymore. A set of +5's can knock months off your skill plan..

As I understand it that is part of the issue. Risk averse individuals are free to reap the full benefits of an expensive clone set while others living in riskier areas, particularly those that allow bubbles, have need to use lesser implants to mitigate the cost of losses.

Which leads to trying to balance the act of taking risks vs having the training reward when the risk v reward mantra dictates it should be the opposite. Without saying that removing them is the best solution, the arguments in favor it are not without merit.

Actually, the issue is that risk averse individuals currently just go "my jumpclone timer isn't over, so I'll avoid anything which means I could lose my implants".

One proposal I heard and liked (and I wish I could remember who to attribute it to) was to introduce "Learning Boosters" alongside traditional implants. Instead of being a permanent-until-podding item, they last for 24-48-whatever hours, regardless of whether you're podded, you jump clone, etc. They obviously would overlap with implants (if you have both, you get the best bonus only). They would also be significantly cheaper than implants (maybe breakeven price between the two after 6 months?).

People in HS would keep with the implants because, long term, they're better off. People in more dangerous space would use these boosters because it removes the cost of implants from your pod cost (in fact, the more you die, the better deal they become).

Minor quibble; people stuck in Supers could train slightly faster if they cared.


But removing implants just seems simpler. Skill training is a meta-game mechanic and using in-game mechanics to affect it is an example of the illusion of complexity simply for complexity's sake. Like learning skills were.