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Skill Point Values and Training Time Formula
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Canabi
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2012-07-03 15:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Canabi
Ok, this was lifted from other sites and the old Eve forums. I was looking for this stuff a few weeks ago and it took me a bit of time (for some reason) to find what I was looking for. If you ever wanted to know, here it is.

(SP Needed - SP Current) / (Pri Attr + (Sec Attr / 2))
eg: Using +4 Implants and an Int/Mem Remap
(256,000-45255) / (31 + (25/2))
210,745 / 43.5
4844.7126 Minutes
3 days 8 hours 44 minutes 43 seconds
Level 4 (Rank 1) to Level 5 (Rank 1)

Attributres with Implants:

Intelligence / Memory Remap

+1 Implants
Intelligence - 28
Charisma - 17
Memory - 22
Perception - 17
Willpower - 17

+2 Implants
Intelligence - 29
Charisma - 17
Memory - 23
Perception - 17
Willpower - 17

+3 Implants
Intelligence - 30
Charisma - 17
Memory - 24
Perception - 17
Willpower - 17

+4 Implants
Intelligence - 31
Charisma - 17
Memory - 25
Perception - 17
Willpower - 17

+5 Implants
Intelligence - 32
Charisma - 17
Memory - 26
Perception - 17
Willpower - 17

Perception / Willpower Remap

+1 Implants
Intelligence - 17
Charisma - 17
Memory - 17
Perception - 28
Willpower - 22

+2 Implants
Intelligence - 17
Charisma - 17
Memory - 17
Perception - 29
Willpower - 23

+3 Implants
Intelligence - 17
Charisma - 17
Memory - 17
Perception - 30
Willpower - 24

+4 Implants
Intelligence - 17
Charisma - 17
Memory - 17
Perception - 31
Willpower - 25

+5 Implants
Intelligence - 17
Charisma - 17
Memory - 17
Perception - 32
Willpower - 26

Skill with rank 1:

Level 1 (rank 1) - 250 SP
Level 2 (rank 1) - 1,414 SP
Level 3 (rank 1) - 8,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 1) - 45,255 SP
Level 5 (rank 1) - 256,000 SP

Skill with rank 2:

Level 1 (rank 2) - 500 SP
Level 2 (rank 2) - 2,828 SP
Level 3 (rank 2) - 16,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 2) - 90,510 SP
Level 5 (rank 2) - 512,000 SP

Skill with rank 3:

Level 1 (rank 3) - 750 SP
Level 2 (rank 3) - 4,242 SP
Level 3 (rank 3) - 24,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 3) - 135,765 SP
Level 5 (rank 3) - 768,000 SP

Skill with rank 4:

Level 1 (rank 4) - 1,000 SP
Level 2 (rank 4) - 5,656 SP
Level 3 (rank 4) - 32,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 4) - 181,020 SP
Level 5 (rank 4) - 1,024,000 SP

Skill with rank 5:

Level 1 (rank 5) - 1,250 SP
Level 2 (rank 5) - 7,070 SP
Level 3 (rank 5) - 40,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 5) - 226,275 SP
Level 5 (rank 5) - 1,280,000 SP

Skill with rank 6:

Level 1 (rank 6) - 1,500 SP
Level 2 (rank 6) - 8,484 SP
Level 3 (rank 6) - 48,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 6) - 271,530 SP
Level 5 (rank 6) - 1,536,000 SP

Skill with rank 7:

Level 1 (rank 7) - 1,750 SP
Level 2 (rank 7) - 9,898 SP
Level 3 (rank 7) - 56,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 7) - 316,785 SP
Level 5 (rank 7) - 1,792,000 SP

Skill with rank 8:

Level 1 (rank 8) - 2,000 SP
Level 2 (rank 8) - 11,312 SP
Level 3 (rank 8) - 64,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 8) - 362,040 SP
Level 5 (rank 8) - 2,048,000 SP
Skill with rank 9:

Level 1 (rank 9) - 2,250 SP
Level 2 (rank 9) - 12,726 SP
Level 3 (rank 9) - 72,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 9) - 407,295 SP
Level 5 (rank 9) - 2,304,000 SP

Skill with rank 10:

Level 1 (rank 10) - 2,500 SP
Level 2 (rank 10) - 14,140 SP
Level 3 (rank 10) - 80,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 10) - 452,550 SP
Level 5 (rank 10) - 2,560,000 SP
Skill with rank 11:

Level 1 (rank 11) - 2,750 SP
Level 2 (rank 11) - 15,554 SP
Level 3 (rank 11) - 88,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 11) - 497,805 SP
Level 5 (rank 11) - 2,816,000 SP

Skill with rank 12:

Level 1 (rank 12) - 3,000 SP
Level 2 (rank 12) - 16,968 SP
Level 3 (rank 12) - 96,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 12) - 543,060 SP
Level 5 (rank 12) - 3,072,000 SP

Skill with rank 13:

Level 1 (rank 13) - 3,250 SP
Level 2 (rank 13) - 18,382 SP
Level 3 (rank 13) - 104,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 13) - 588,315 SP
Level 5 (rank 13) - 3,328,000 SP

Skill with rank 14:

Level 1 (rank 14) - 3,500 SP
Level 2 (rank 14) - 19,796 SP
Level 3 (rank 14) - 112,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 14) - 633,570 SP
Level 5 (rank 14) - 3,584,000 SP

Skill with rank 15:

Level 1 (rank 15) - 3,750 SP
Level 2 (rank 15) - 21,210 SP
Level 3 (rank 15) - 120,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 15) - 678,825 SP
Level 5 (rank 15) - 3,840,000 SP

Skill with rank 16:

Level 1 (rank 16) - 4,000 SP
Level 2 (rank 16) - 22,624 SP
Level 3 (rank 16) - 128,000 SP
Level 4 (rank 16) - 724,080 SP
Level 5 (rank 16) - 4,096,000 SP
Mishraile Viliana
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-07-03 15:41:09 UTC
You could have made it simpler by just stating the formula that determines how much skillpoints you get per minute (primary attribute + Secondary attribute/2) using +4 implants and a dedicated remap this would mean 31+(25/2)=43.5 and then just divide the needed skillpoints for a skill and divide it by this number to determine how long training would take.

Also your totals for skill ranks are off:
Rank one requires a total of 256000 instead of 310919 as you say. Level 1,2,3 and 4 might be seperate levels in a skill, but the points spent to reach them still contribute to what is needed for level 5 so with your number this means training a rank 1 skill means:
Level 1 - 250 SP
Level 2 - 1164 SP (1414-250)
Level 3 - 6586 SP (8000-1414)
Level 4 - 37255 SP (45255-8000)
Level 5 - 210745 SP (256000-45255)

Ofcourse this shows quite clearly in the formula you mention to determine training time so I have no clue why it changed a bit further. I guess copy/paste is bad.
Canabi
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#3 - 2012-07-03 15:50:42 UTC
Yea, I meant to take out the TOTAL SP's. I don't know why the original author put that in there. I'll edit the post. Thanks.
As far as the SP Needed - SP Current, I left the values the way they were so you would know what the final value is for the next skill level.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#4 - 2012-07-03 23:55:14 UTC
Also more concise:

Skill point cost = M*250*5.66^(R-1)

Where M is multiplier and R is rank. Rather than manually typing all the derived values at us. Typing out the entire chart for every multiplier is extra-redundant as i'm pretty sure most of us know what "multiplier" means, as well as the "x" symbol.

Also useful to define your variables and then just type your formula with variables instead of making a great giant self-contained mess there. And pulling out terms that don't actually vary is nice as well:

Time to complete = (M*250*5.66^(R-1) - C) / (25.5 + p + s/2 + I)

Where C is the amount of SP already invested in the skill,
p is how many points you've mapped into the primary attribute,
s is how many you've mapped into the secondary attribute,
and I is the total contribution from implants (strength of primary + 1/2* strength of secondary).

There you go, now your post is much shorter.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2012-07-04 01:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Rank * 250 * 5.66^(Level - 1) is a bit off, and I think you have rank and level swapped (rank is the multiplier).

level 1 - 250 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(1 - 1) = 250)
level 2 - 1415 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(2 - 1) = 1415)
level 3 - 8000 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(3 - 1) = 8008.9)
level 4 - 45255 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(4 - 1) = 45330.374)
level 5 - 256000 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(5 - 1) = 256569.91684)

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Skill_training
Symlin Raahn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-04 08:49:19 UTC
You mean there's math?

Sometimes trying to play EVE just makes me tired... tired of fighting all the changes CCP makes that cause you to have to redo things.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#7 - 2012-07-05 22:11:39 UTC
Symlin Raahn wrote:
You mean there's math?


I don't see any mathematics in this thread. No solving of equations. No trigonometry. No calculus. No math.
Odin Outrage
Gallente Reclamation Inc.
#8 - 2012-09-04 22:52:06 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Rank * 250 * 5.66^(Level - 1) is a bit off, and I think you have rank and level swapped (rank is the multiplier).

level 1 - 250 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(1 - 1) = 250)
level 2 - 1415 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(2 - 1) = 1415)
level 3 - 8000 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(3 - 1) = 8008.9)
level 4 - 45255 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(4 - 1) = 45330.374)
level 5 - 256000 (formula = 1 * 250 * 5.66^(5 - 1) = 256569.91684)

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Skill_training


Instead of 5.66, try 4·√2 which is 5.65685424...:

Level 1 ‒ ⌈ 250 · (4√2)^0 ⌉ = ⌈ 250 · 1 ⌉ = 250
Level 2 ‒ ⌈ 250 · (4√2)^1 ⌉ = ⌈ 250 · 5.65685... ⌉ = 1415
Level 3 ‒ ⌈ 250 · (4√2)^2 ⌉ = ⌈ 250 · 32 ⌉ = 8000
Level 4 ‒ ⌈ 250 · (4√2)^3 ⌉ = ⌈ 250 · 181.019336... ⌉ = 45255
Level 5 ‒ ⌈ 250 · (4√2)^4 ⌉ = ⌈ 250 · 1024 ⌉ = 256000

Where ⌈ ... ⌉ denotes the ceiling function.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-09-05 07:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
wtf are you people babbling about?

SP rate (per hour) is (60xPA + 30xSA) = R, not hard.
then i suppose if you want the time, just do SP/R.
these are the only 2 things you'll ever need, no need to resort to any of the above bullshit...

worked this out ages ago when i was without EVEMon at work...

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2012-09-06 01:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jack Miton wrote:
wtf are you people babbling about?

SP rate (per hour) is (60xPA + 30xSA) = R, not hard.
then i suppose if you want the time, just do SP/R.
these are the only 2 things you'll ever need, no need to resort to any of the above bullshit...

worked this out ages ago when i was without EVEMon at work...

Skill points per skill level, not skill points per hour.

Example: Minimum time take to train a rank 25 skill to level 3. You need to know how many skill points that is first.