Science & Industry

Interesting....

You do realize that buffing invention to increase yield is self-defeating, as it would lower margins even more.

The problem is not invention or T2 BPOs. It's people that value their effort very little, typically with the argument that EVE is a game so they don't care how much they earn, or even if they take a loss, as long as they are having fun.

Building ships is an example of this, because everyone and their grandmother thinks building ships is "cool", regardless of if they are profitable or not (because hundreds of others had the same idea, and are 0.01 ISK-ing each other into oblivion).

Every new industrialist also wants to get into the market, often without doing any market research.

I earn billions of ISK by finding out what the market wants, then supplying it. However, this takes both time and effort, which many are not willing to invest in.

There is LOTS of opportunity for earnings on the current markets. Don't expect ISK to just magically appear in your wallet without putting in some effort.

unironicly the best post in this thread

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Perhaps a modification:
Keeping all the copy rules from BPO's the same.


"T2 Invention gives you a 0.5% chance to create a T2 BPO"
except make the chance, .01% and lower depending on original BPO cost and not allowing any market influence upon said outcome, No decryptors, nothing, that can be limited or complatly bought out by any one to be added to that mix.
But instead replace that with Raw RP.

The basic mechanics for invention would also have to be changed, possibly even create a different type or whole set of Datacores just to keep the market from doing a massive bounce.

as for the original owners, I dont think they would be hurt much, as their obviously profitless 600B T2 BPO's would be unprofitable either way.

In short allowing any newbie who joins eve, to basically join a huge lottery where he/she can walk away with 20-600B isk with some massive luck in just a few months of gameplay, or, just enough to get permanently hooked to eve.

This could open quite a few doors and options.

by far the worst Idea that got presented.

These are just some of the reasons:

-MORE T2 BPO is bad, as they naturaly dont leave the game and only would be added, over time it would be the only way to make isk, vanilla invention would become pointless. 20 T2 BPO´s per type wont hurt anyone, 2000 certainly will. So after all this solution would only work for a limited amount of time and end up in a totally broken T2 production system.

-NOOBS would have serious toruble to get into the business as they couldnt compete to the mass of T2 BPO`s. Would be a lot harder to get in.

-it would just simplify the entire T2 production wich clearly isnt needed or wanted. The main Issue is still the huge amount of over-production, wich would lead into even more competition and as the result lower margins.

-Current T2 BPO`s would lose their collector item status, and a lot of value, but I guess for all the mildly irrational T2 BPO haters thats just a bonus

Dont you guys find it hilarious that most of you "solutions" include seeding more T2 BPO`s wich are are apparently game-killers itself?
honestly, even as a T2 BPO owner i find the idea of just removing t2 BPO`s without any reimbursment a lot better than this one...

That would not change the profitability of invention. It would also make most decryptors effectively worthless.

And once again, you've failed miserably at showing any shred of evidence to suggest that the current situation of BPOs has any effect on the profitability or accessibility of invention as a profession.

Indeed, this would place T2 on par with T1, but of course more steps, POS, skills and many different steps need to be taken before the player can truly utilize anything more then just a few items for himself/herself.

Citizens of New Eden:
These non believers need to be taught a lesson in Manufacture and give up their T2 BPO's in the process, let us rid New eden of this defilement and place this into the Chapters of history.

1) changing invention would not bring anything, except ruining the prices for decryptors/datacores/T2 Bpc and... final products
2) the guys who are in charge of industry in CCP are aware that T2 BPO and invention are fine and quite balanced.
3) you aren't CCP your point of view is narrow, you lack a lot of knowledge about how industry works, how markets works and you don't have the data and statistics as ccp have.
4) You just implicitly admited to be disturbed by "those players who purchased the right via bpo".
5) This discussion thread is sterile, you have nothing new to bring, except hammering the same things for months

6) to contradict what you claim about alleged loss of subscribers :

EVE Online Subscribers, from MMOdata.net

Buff invention and make T2BPO's irrelevant. That way T2BPO owners could not complain as there BPO's have not been touched.

You also don't seem to understand the concept of a zero sum game.

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