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Legion.

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Alesha Bau
MyEmploymentHistoryGivesMeCancer
#1 - 2012-09-05 12:16:36 UTC
I'd really appreciate a PVE Legion fit for level 4's as my current fit isn't doing so well.

And if anyone has an incursion fit to share.

Thanks.
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-09-05 13:15:56 UTC
Alesha Bau wrote:
I'd really appreciate a PVE Legion fit for level 4's as my current fit isn't doing so well.

And if anyone has an incursion fit to share.

Thanks.




You're going to find MOST Legion fits don't do that well in fours.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-09-05 13:49:38 UTC
Alesha Bau wrote:
I'd really appreciate a PVE Legion fit for level 4's as my current fit isn't doing so well.

And if anyone has an incursion fit to share.

Thanks.



I'm sure that if you put as much isk as I've put on my Tenug/loki/Proteus he can be as badass as those are. Min fitting budget 3Billions.
You can't make the world champion out od some car just because you have "Ferrari" and the Cavalino on it, you need a lot of effort and piloting to make it become a decent pretender.

Short: no I haven't messed yet with that one but will very soon and after a couple tweaks I'm sure with some billions of effort I can make it a decent war machine knowing basically it's already a nasty tank boat without a single tank module.
My bet is on "all gank" but I'm probably wrong

brb

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#4 - 2012-09-05 14:23:15 UTC
Legion just isn't a logical choice for lvl 4 missions, there's several reasons

- no drones, this means you have to heavily adapt your fit to deal with upclose tacklers and spider drones, this very much affects your performance against larger/ranged targets
- the extra T2 resists don't mesh well with the laser damage types so if you mostly get Sansha/BR missions (which you should) then you need a lot of slots to get your tank to work
- dps isn't brilliant to begin with, neither is the range

You're simply better off with an Abaddon, Navy Geddon or Paladin.
Aaron Greil
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-09-05 19:31:46 UTC
Legion can limp along, and its nice for missions where you need a massive tank, but in general you are much better off with a battleship. Even the humble armageddon can out perform the legion.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#6 - 2012-09-05 19:33:37 UTC
[Legion, Missions]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Large Capacitor Battery II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Not today spaghetti.

Aaron Greil
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-09-05 19:40:01 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
[Legion, Missions]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Large Capacitor Battery II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst




This will never ever hit a spider drone.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#8 - 2012-09-05 20:56:09 UTC
Aaron Greil wrote:
This will never ever hit a spider drone.

With navy multifrequency + tracking speed scripts I bed to differ chump

Not today spaghetti.

Alara IonStorm
#9 - 2012-09-05 21:07:57 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Aaron Greil wrote:
This will never ever hit a spider drone.

With navy multifrequency + tracking speed scripts I bed to differ chump

Also if you spend like 50mil on a single Complex C Type Thermal Hardener you can change out the Thermal Rig for a CCC and the Large Cap Battery for a Web / Faction Web for Frigates.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-09-05 21:09:46 UTC
you guys are cute.

L4 Missions are a round hole, the Legion is a square peg. I love the Legion but its just not designed for missioning.

Use a BS. Cheaper and less frustrating. I would suggest a Napoc personally. Although its not really much cheaper its certainly better suited for the task.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
#11 - 2012-09-05 21:22:30 UTC
No one ever use the HML Legion? Its no Tengu but with skills and the right mods it can be a fun change.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-09-05 21:46:03 UTC
Herman Klaus wrote:
No one ever use the HML Legion? Its no Tengu but with skills and the right mods it can be a fun change.


Not many even use the HML Tengu in lvl 4's so, Legion, far less.
Alesha Bau
MyEmploymentHistoryGivesMeCancer
#13 - 2012-09-05 22:21:41 UTC
Well thanks alot guys, i will just get a battleship i lost a legion in a level 4 recently, (******* spider drones) now that i have seen some opinions i guess the legion should stay out of level 4's.

It's much appreciated.

Thank you.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-09-06 03:41:26 UTC
Talk about an end to the thread :D
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-09-06 06:18:48 UTC
Something in this thread makes me sad.


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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-09-06 11:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shereza
[Legion, L4]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Federation Navy Co-Processor
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Corelum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


Hammerhead II x5

Only problem with that setup, aside from the fact that it's a legion and using relatively "gank me now" modules, is that the rigs are overkill. The whole ship is cap-stable. You can make the tank (afterburner and booster) stable by using just T1 CCCs leaving the guns to cap you out of course, and doing 2 T2 CCC rigs and a shield EM rig will keep the tank stable and boost it as well. The problem with that, however, is that a shield resistance rig on an armor tanked setup, which you'll probably do later, is pretty useless. That's ignoring the boost in signature radius and the (minimal) effect it will have on damage taken. If a battleship can speed tank L4s moving at only 300m/s at best and with a 440 DPS tank then a T3 cruiser pushing 740m/s with a 370 DPS tank ought to be able to do it as well.

All in all were I to use a legion in L4s I'd use a build like that rather than trying to use some sort of gun (or HAM) based build, though in all fairness you could probably push a slightly cheaper HAM variant of that build through with nearly 87% of the raw DPS and against any NPC not weak to EM/thermal probably more effective DPS than the drone synthesis variant.

[Legion, L4 HAMs]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Corelum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field

Dread Guristas Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Dread Guristas Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Dread Guristas Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Dread Guristas Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Dread Guristas Heavy Assault Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Hmm. Don't think I like how well those missiles would fare against really small targets though. Could switch to 2 T2 rigor rigs and a T2 flare rig and upgrade one CPU to a FedNav variant to increase the rDPS->eDPS conversion I suppose, but if you get into a mission where you have to run the booster for any length you'll have issues after two minutes. On the flip side if you spring for 4 CalNav BCUs (or DG) you'll get a whopping 6.3% increase in rDPS *and* be able to use just two T1 CPU modules. Or you could spend even more money, put an even bigger "gank me now" flag over your head, fit a FN CPU, and have an extra low slot for something else like another propulsion mod as 8 CPU isn't much to work with on a shield-tanked ship.
Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#17 - 2012-09-07 03:17:55 UTC
[Legion, Mission]
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Large Capacitor Battery II
Shadow Serpentis 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2012-09-07 05:13:17 UTC
Shereza wrote:
Hmm. Don't think I like how well those missiles would fare against really small targets though. Could switch to 2 T2 rigor rigs and a T2 flare rig


That won't work. Rigors don't work on HAMs.

Also, ugh. L4 Legion.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#19 - 2012-09-07 06:12:55 UTC
Don't remember my fit atm (other than its laser fit, and mostly t2 fittings), and don't have access to my gaming computer, but I run L4's in my Legion all the time. I have never come close to dying (that thing has a rather insane tank + decent speed). Its actually rather fun with it.

While I will admit other T3's may do it better, and BS / Marauders are designed for em, I do fine, go through the mission fast enough, and with long hauls to some gates, I LOOOOOVE the extra speed.

Maybe its just me. But its one of my only uses for my Legion (which I firmly believe needs some love in the T3 category atm), but does it well for me. ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly

Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-09-07 12:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Shereza
Zhilia Mann wrote:
That won't work. Rigors don't work on HAMs.


Bleh, yeah, point. Forgot about that.


Zhilia Mann wrote:
Also, ugh. L4 Legion.


Much as I'd rather use a curse as an L4 Amarr drone ship or a sacrilege as an L4 HAM ship I have to admit that the legion is at least viable in L4s. What?
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