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Haniya
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-05 17:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Haniya
What's going to happen in PLEX prices when Dust will be linked with TQ and we'll have one market for 2 games?

With Dust being a F2P game, is right to suppose that every single player is gonna buy GTC from CCP to convert them in PLEX to convert PLEX in ISK thus flooding the market with new PLEX and causing PLEX price crash?

My answer is yes, I'd like to hear your opinion.
Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars
#2 - 2012-09-05 17:03:19 UTC
We can only hope.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#3 - 2012-09-05 17:25:01 UTC
Dusters can buy "vanity" items for real money, and that is via Aurum. Creating Aurum consumes PLEX so that increases the demand for PLEX.

Purchase PLEX to get ISK = increased PLEX supply.

Buy PLEX with ISK, convert to Aurum for Dust vanity items = reduced PLEX supply.

Which will win? We will see.

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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2012-09-05 17:32:02 UTC
Also remember that CCP has the power to release confiscated PLEX if they notice attempts to manipulate the market or expect there to be shortages. I doubt there will be significant long term changes. However I think you may see something similar to the PLEX for GFX cards that caused plex to soar closer to 600 mil and then nosedive after the event completed.
Caelis Boirelle
Aurora Investments
#5 - 2012-09-05 19:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Caelis Boirelle
Is PLEX necessarily going to available on the dustie market? Or useable by them even if it is? They don't pay for game time and can buy Aurum directly via the playstation store as far as I'm aware so no need to go via plex.

Unless you're talking about Eve players cashing in plex for aurum and sending it to their dust counterparts, but I'm not even sure if that's possible.

So in answer to your question, nothing. Nothing at all.

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Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-09-06 00:07:54 UTC
Caelis Boirelle wrote:
Is PLEX necessarily going to available on the dustie market? Or useable by them even if it is? They don't pay for game time and can buy Aurum directly via the playstation store as far as I'm aware so no need to go via plex.

Unless you're talking about Eve players cashing in plex for aurum and sending it to their dust counterparts, but I'm not even sure if that's possible.

So in answer to your question, nothing. Nothing at all.



I think the idea of the OP is that Dust players that do not play EVE will buy PLEX to convert to isk. Some of the vehicles and higher tier dropsuits are expensive, and cannot be used every game without losing isk. If someone doesn't have a rich EVE player to bankroll their Dust activities, perhaps they will buy PLEX for isk. 500mil isk will take you a long way in Dust.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#7 - 2012-09-06 02:08:41 UTC
I dont think Dust combat specialists are going to be looking into buying "Pilots License Extensions"

I dont know, actually but I presume this isnt how CCP wants dust people to interact with eve.
Elegbara
White Wolf Enterprises
#8 - 2012-09-06 03:49:40 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Dusters can buy "vanity" items for real money, and that is via Aurum. Creating Aurum consumes PLEX so that increases the demand for PLEX.

Purchase PLEX to get ISK = increased PLEX supply.

Buy PLEX with ISK, convert to Aurum for Dust vanity items = reduced PLEX supply.

Which will win? We will see.

There's already direct aurum sale, without PLEX in the middle.

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Caelis Boirelle
Aurora Investments
#9 - 2012-09-06 08:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Caelis Boirelle
Elvis Fett wrote:
[quote=Caelis Boirelle]Is PLEX necessarily going to available on the dustie market? Or useable by them even if it is? They don't pay for game time and can buy Aurum directly via the playstation store as far as I'm aware so no need to go via plex.

Unless you're talking about Eve players cashing in plex for aurum and sending it to their dust counterparts, but I'm not even sure if that's possible.

So in answer to your question, nothing. Nothing at all.



EDIT: Thought better of my reply, not sure if what I'm saying is info in the public domain or came from my time playing the beta.

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Point is, I highly doubt it.

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Haniya
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-09-06 11:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Haniya
Elvis Fett wrote:
Caelis Boirelle wrote:
Is PLEX necessarily going to available on the dustie market? Or useable by them even if it is? They don't pay for game time and can buy Aurum directly via the playstation store as far as I'm aware so no need to go via plex.

Unless you're talking about Eve players cashing in plex for aurum and sending it to their dust counterparts, but I'm not even sure if that's possible.

So in answer to your question, nothing. Nothing at all.



***I think the idea of the OP is that Dust players that do not play EVE will buy PLEX to convert to isk.***



This. I'm not talking about aurum transactions (vanity items). I'm talking about the average guy buying normal equipment for the game like we do in EVE. He need ISK (as far as I know) to do that. Doesn't matter if they are gonna have direct access to PLEX market from Dust, or if they need to go all the way around buying GTC--->PLEX--->ISK via their EVE character (or their EVE buddies/allies) to send the ISK to their Dust character. The point is: they need ISK to buy stuff, and the only way to accomplish that is either "work" (like we do in EVE) to gain that ISK, or buy your ISK via the GTC ---> PLEX ---> ISK way.

PLEX are gonna be involved one way or another IMO.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-09-07 00:44:44 UTC
We don't even know if Dust players can access the EVE marketplace, unless there's been some update I've missed.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#12 - 2012-09-07 19:39:08 UTC
One canonly pray Dust bunnies will buy GTC's for ISK lowering the current Plex prices down to 250 million again
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Claire Voyant
#13 - 2012-09-08 04:19:07 UTC
I still think the smart players will do the following:
1. Buy Dust Aurum for $
2. Use Dust Aurum to buy premium items from the store
3. Sell premium Dust items for isk in the Dust secondary market
4. Move isk to Eve account and buy PLEX
5. Use PLEX to pay for their Eve subscriptions

This assumes that there are Eve players sitting on piles of isk that they are willing to blow on Dust.

So more players will be using PLEX to pay for their Eve accounts, or at least it will drive up the price point.
Jattila Vrek
Green Visstick High
#14 - 2012-09-08 06:12:24 UTC
Claire Voyant wrote:
I still think the smart players will do the following:
1. Buy Dust Aurum for $
2. Use Dust Aurum to buy premium items from the store
3. Sell premium Dust items for isk in the Dust secondary market
4. Move isk to Eve account and buy PLEX
5. Use PLEX to pay for their Eve subscriptions

This assumes that there are Eve players sitting on piles of isk that they are willing to blow on Dust.

So more players will be using PLEX to pay for their Eve accounts, or at least it will drive up the price point.

The only reason players would do that would be if buying Dust Aurum would be cheaper than subsribing to Eve. Did anyone check prices for Dust Aurum and PLEX?

I thing selling Eve Plex will be a popular route because of the huge amount of isk available in Eve. All Dust players will start poor with low skills and standings.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-09-08 06:38:29 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
Also remember that CCP has the power to release confiscated PLEX if they notice attempts to manipulate the market or expect there to be shortages.


I love it how you think the deleted plexes on bot accounts are stacked up into a pile at some CCP storage room.

But why would CCP add in more plexes to market .. thats loosing them money and driving the plex price down, higher the price the more compelling selling value on the GTC. High plex price is good for ccp, it doesent mean automaticly that high plex price equals low supply, there are other factors too.

Not to mention that messing with player driven economy in that way would be seriously bad.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#16 - 2012-09-08 07:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Any pixel can be manipulated without us ever knowing. If ccp wants to raise price it will.... ccp stated several times in tourney vid blogs that isk has devalued too much. You do the thinking, my bet is in 18 months plex cost 650 mil isk

Edit; i forgot to mention that ccp has the ability to raise plex prices when eber they want without us crying about it because "its how the eve economie works with supply & demand"..... the only thing ppl forget is that ccp can change the supply & demand at their will and if rly nesacary they even can create an alt that keps buying or seeding unlimited amount of plex.

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