Market Discussions

before this turns into "oh my god i can't gank anymore" thread.
here's my *opinion*.

On the BPO prices - prices will be low, for a while now. they'll remain low as their only true value at this moment is projected price changes. it is not profitable to make the ship, thus the blueprint is useless - valued zero.

On the profit of the 30 dayers and profit margins , even if current prices collapse to an incredible low of 4M, that's still around 70-100% profit margin for most of them. how is that bad?

to be exact, there are 600 procurers to be made in a month roughly with PE1.
i suspect around 50-100 people having enough ISK/caring enough to get involved in it or not getting out pre-patch (like some of you did), and yes i pulled these numbers out of my dreadlocks.

so we can expect.. what, 60K procurers? i wonder if they'll really dump it all on the market, if they do i encourage you to have a buy thresh-hold.

for exmaple if it drops below 5, that would be a good time to buy. only reason i'm sharing this is because i have no intentions of getting into this speculation. i'm very happy to sit on my procs for the 4-5 months it'll take for the market to recover.
who knows how many procs are killed daily?
(seriously, who knows? can we check this?)

They're not in jita don't worry, Plus i'm not waiting for the new build cost.

I got my procurers for around 1.8M each.
500-600% margins are more than enough for me.

Please land on Earth.

I have extensive experience in the field, I know all of *2* single account gankers (they usually did the "warp to belt marker and kill those close to it, no need for a "warp beacon" account, no need to swap ships to create bookmarks).

All the others already use 3 and stuck using 3. I am talking of casual gankers, the organized ones - aka those farming miners, not just killing 7-8 a day - were minimally affected at all by this.

you simply won`t be able to sell them, no matter what their price will be (im expecting buyorders will crash through the floor)....when there are 100k (i.e.)procurers beeing sold and only 100-200 getting bought its hard to put your batch in there.



if you build them just before the patch like the rest of us, you paid 2,6 m each

Except that the Mackinaw is strictly better than the Skiff because, fit intelligently, it cannot be profitably ganked, which means that it gives up nothing compared to the Skiff.

Meanwhile, the Hulk, pre-barge buff, could go full tank (and be impossible to gank profitably), could go somewhere in between (and drive away most gank attempts), or go full yield (and still be unprofitable to gank in some areas of space).

With the barge buff; the equivalent of the full tank option gets a 30k m3 ore hold and mines more, the equivalent of the middle road option gets a 30k m3 ore hold and mines more, and the equivalent of the full yield fit got a significant tank increase.

So, you already could do those things, and now you can do them better while giving up less (and the Skiff isn't useful for mining).

Again, are you still suggesting, as you suggest here:that ships should be balanced based on the dumbest pilots who fly them?

If the miners don't sacrifice something for safety, yes. Why wouldn't they be? They're not making any significant effort to protect their 300m ISK investment/

Just like if haulers don't sacrifice convenience for safety by limiting the value of the cargo they carry.
Just like Tengu pilots who go full active tank so that they can go all gank and get one shotted off the gate.

Were they all on 30 day jobs? Personally I built only 7ish day jobs. Got some early cash out, you know.

I feel that, while theoretically every BPO could be in factory for 30 days and we could have a bajillion Procurers coming out in a few days... maybe some other folks besides me did not start 30 day jobs and so there aren't as many.

A Mack with 3 MLUs hits 25k EHP vs Void, which is plenty to make it significantly unprofitable in .7 or above.
With 2, it can reach 40k EHP vs Void, which is plenty to make it significantly unprofitable anywhere.

All the while, it has double the Skiff's Ore hold and a balanced enough resistance profile that it's not inviting Thrashers.

Both of those are strictly better than the Skiff.

Where's that sacrifice again?

I distinctly recall the CCP game designer saying he's against making (empty) mining ships gank profitable.

It makes sense, people don't gank empty freigthers, empty badgers, Meta 3 fitted Drakes and similar, they go for the fat ISK pinatas.

@Pipa Porto show me the balanced resists mining Mack that reaches those lol values your state. Because going 1 trick defensive pony (Ie all out therm resist) just invites switching to thrashers.

Or are you - as usual - implying "as normal" some exotic fit, all the buffs in game plus all command links possible plus all skills to V plus all the best implants? Like there's more than 10 guys in the whole EvE bothering wasting zillions on a miner alt and then 2-3 more accounts to protect him (dropping profit 5M per hour x account)

this is not an answer. Question is not about miners. Question is about ganking. Why do you think it should be profitable?

Well. In reality it can be profitable. But this should not be special purpose of ship balancing.