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Moonhammer Fearless
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-01 22:39:50 UTC
o/ Everyone. I play this game for 6 days and i want to go nulsec PvP in this game but i dont know how to skill for PvP, so i need you guys to give me some advices or plans from Evemon how to skill and what ships to make for start. I know this is sandbox game but i need some aid to boost me. Thanks in advance!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-01 22:42:27 UTC
If you want nullsec, I bet you'd better train for a bomber.
I don't live in nullsec myself (only accidently for pewpew) and very rarely use bombers, but i believe you won't have troubles finding fleet, if you can bomb.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Vince Arron
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-09-02 04:20:18 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
If you want nullsec, I bet you'd better train for a bomber.
I don't live in nullsec myself (only accidently for pewpew) and very rarely use bombers, but i believe you won't have troubles finding fleet, if you can bomb.




uh...not really.


Train for a drake if you want to pvp in 0.0
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-09-02 05:25:26 UTC
OP... it would help us you were more specific about what KIND of 0.0 warfare you were interested in.

Do you want to...

- Scout and/or gather intel?
- pin down targets?
- be a damage dealer?
- support damage dealers?
- be anti-support support?
- be black-ops?

How did you Veterans start?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-09-02 09:37:17 UTC
For which ships to fly also matters what alliance you are in.
Most alliances have a fleet doctrine of ships they use, so each alliance can have different ships they use.

But in general:

- Stealth bombers
- Drakes
- Logistics

But also be open to cross train to other races.

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Moonhammer Fearless
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-03 07:46:32 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
OP... it would help us you were more specific about what KIND of 0.0 warfare you were interested in.

Do you want to...

- Scout and/or gather intel?
- pin down targets?
- be a damage dealer?
- support damage dealers?
- be anti-support support?
- be black-ops?


Im interested in damage dealing, and black-ops.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-03 10:17:00 UTC
Abaddon, and then redeemer.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-04 16:03:45 UTC
Moonhammer. A bomber or an interceptor are good things to train for any new pilot. However you need to learn to walk before you can run.

Have you thought of joining red vs blue to get the basics of pvp down?

Condsider it.

If your interested in black ops drops etc then you need to apply to Noir Academy. We will teach you what you need to know.

You should know that all though our coms may sound informal at times we are deadly serious about our business. If an FC tells you to fit a bomber a specific way you do it no questions asked. If an FC tells you to do something you do it with out question.
Eve is very different from other MMO's because our group pvp is highly coordinated.

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-09-04 20:39:01 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Abaddon, and then redeemer.


He'd probably be better off with a bomber of his choice.
Sierra Arodan
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-04 21:44:02 UTC
Lyric Lahnder wrote:
Moonhammer. A bomber or an interceptor are good things to train for any new pilot. However you need to learn to walk before you can run.

Have you thought of joining red vs blue to get the basics of pvp down?

Condsider it.

If your interested in black ops drops etc then you need to apply to Noir Academy. We will teach you what you need to know.

You should know that all though our coms may sound informal at times we are deadly serious about our business. If an FC tells you to fit a bomber a specific way you do it no questions asked. If an FC tells you to do something you do it with out question.
Eve is very different from other MMO's because our group pvp is highly coordinated.


Damn it I wanted to get in before the Red vs Blue post.

This is NOT an NPC corp forum alt, this is my main. I will join a corp in a few months after I have more skill points.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#11 - 2012-09-04 22:10:13 UTC
OP:

Take all the advice people have given you that sounds like this: (you must fly Drake, you must fly an Abaddon, you need a bomber), crumple it up into a ball, and then throw it into the trash can, because that's where advice like that belongs. I met someone last year who was interested in PvP. I asked him why he wasn't PvPing and he said "I can't fly my Hurricane yet." ... As far as I know, that person unsubbed before they ever even sat in a BattleCruiser.

The most important thing you need are your Core Skills. These are the most important to start training because they will affect all the ships you fly. 25% more agility (from Evasive Maneuvering V) is 25% more agility on all ships. But Heavy Missile Specialization (which allows you to use T2 Heavy Missiles) will only affect you when you're flying ships that can fit Heavy Missile Launchers. It will not help you when you fly your Merlin. So make a priority out of getting your Core Skills up into the 3's and 4's (for right now) and into the 4's and 5's (for later).

What you do need, above all, is a solid group of people who share the same interests as you. Shop around for a good corp. It doesn't have to be an "~ELITE~" PvP corp and in fact I'd discourage joining such a corp. Instead, look for a friendly corp that you can get along with who have an interest (and actively participate in) NullSec PvP. It doesn't even have to be a actual "NullSec corp" - it can be a HiSec/LowSec corp or FW corp that goes on sorties into NullSec. In fact, I would say try to find a small, friendly FW corp that also roams NullSec. That shouldn't be too hard to find.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Professor Elos
Rep-X
#12 - 2012-09-04 22:50:44 UTC
you want skill, you pvp. You take ship, go null sec, pvp. Then you more pvp & then? MORE PVP!

Skill you will have when it comes.

El Professor
Dracan02
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#13 - 2012-09-05 04:37:19 UTC
A ship, a prop mod, and a scram/disruptor/web and you can be involved in PvP almost anywhere. expect to explode a lot when your learning. After that you can move into one of the more defined roles in PvP
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-05 08:10:35 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

The most important thing you need are your Core Skills. These are the most important to start training because they will affect all the ships you fly. 25% more agility (from Evasive Maneuvering V) is 25% more agility on all ships. But Heavy Missile Specialization (which allows you to use T2 Heavy Missiles) will only affect you when you're flying ships that can fit Heavy Missile Launchers. It will not help you when you fly your Merlin. So make a priority out of getting your Core Skills up into the 3's and 4's (for right now) and into the 4's and 5's (for later).

This is wrong. Core skills give you quantity, while starting pilots need quality (in philosophical sense) first. Getting first ship needed to fly is essential. Making flying it good is step number two. Don't make it a priority.
I have met a one-month old solo battleship pilot, who was getting some funny kills. Core skills, eh?

Xuixien wrote:

What you do need, above all, is a solid group of people who share the same interests as you. Shop around for a good corp. It doesn't have to be an "~ELITE~" PvP corp and in fact I'd discourage joining such a corp. Instead, look for a friendly corp that you can get along with who have an interest (and actively participate in) NullSec PvP. It doesn't even have to be a actual "NullSec corp" - it can be a HiSec/LowSec corp or FW corp that goes on sorties into NullSec. In fact, I would say try to find a small, friendly FW corp that also roams NullSec. That shouldn't be too hard to find.

I can't agree with this as well.
At first, elite scum pvp corp will hire only elite scum Big smile
But joining together with peoples who have no idea what are they doing is not a good solution too. You will never learn, if you won't know what kills you. Inventing a bycicle is not an option: you can ask for advice and learn in a couple of losses, or get it yourself in like 100 losses Roll
Best practice would be joining some channel (not corp), where elite scum chat, very often they can give you some tips, hear your stories and point what you did right or wrong.
And, if you can find really elite pvp corp, that can let you in, well, you hit a jackpot. They will teach and train you. Provided you want to be trained and taught, of corse Blink

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2012-09-05 14:18:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
have met a one-month old solo battleship pilot, who was getting some funny kills. Core skills, eh?


Exceptional cases are exceptional and should not be used to model advice for average players.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Tolrok Qorte
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-09-05 16:25:54 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
have met a one-month old solo battleship pilot, who was getting some funny kills. Core skills, eh?


Exceptional cases are exceptional and should not be used to model advice for average players.


This. There's no way a one month old solo battleship pilot will be able to hold his own in standard fights. Unless he has some clear advantage in the situation, he would get solo'd by anyone else who has spent more time on skills for their ship class.

Quote:
Core skills give you quantity, while starting pilots need quality (in philosophical sense) first. Getting first ship needed to fly is essential. Making flying it good is step number two. Don't make it a priority.


This is just plain wrong, in every single possible way. Why would you spend time to work towards a ship you cannot use well? You're only going to wind up dying in the first even moderately difficult situation. Core skills are called that for a reason, they are at the core of any decent fitting. You need them because even if you raced towards that battleship, you're going to be able to fit jack on it if you haven't worked on your Engineering and Electronics, you're going to have a miserable armor/shield tank if you haven't been focusing on those skills, your cap will be subpar at best, etc, etc....

Telling people to worry about getting to a ship first and fly it well second is the reason you see so many newbies losing battleships in situations where they should have been fine, and then in tears after. Terrible tank, terrible dps, and inability to fit needed modules.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-09-07 09:13:06 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

Exceptional cases are exceptional and should not be used to model advice for average players.

Every PvP pilot should strive for excellence and to be exceptional.
When PvP pilot strives to become average player, he dies like average player.

Tolrok Qorte wrote:

Quote:
Core skills give you quantity, while starting pilots need quality (in philosophical sense) first. Getting first ship needed to fly is essential. Making flying it good is step number two. Don't make it a priority.


This is just plain wrong, in every single possible way. Why would you spend time to work towards a ship you cannot use well? You're only going to wind up dying in the first even moderately difficult situation. Core skills are called that for a reason, they are at the core of any decent fitting. You need them because even if you raced towards that battleship, you're going to be able to fit jack on it if you haven't worked on your Engineering and Electronics, you're going to have a miserable armor/shield tank if you haven't been focusing on those skills, your cap will be subpar at best, etc, etc....

This is plain wrong, only if you think inside the box.
When you meet same ship with same properties, yes, you will need to be just better.
But, really, how much is there percentage of PvP situations, when you need simply to outtank/outdps similar target? ;)

Tolrok Qorte wrote:
Telling people to worry about getting to a ship first and fly it well second is the reason you see so many newbies losing battleships in situations where they should have been fine, and then in tears after.



Tolrok Qorte wrote:
Terrible tank, terrible dps, and inability to fit needed modules.

I have solo kills with "75mm Gatling Rail I".
Tell me more about terrible DPS.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tolrok Qorte
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-09-07 23:07:01 UTC
The point was not whether or not the player with the best skills always wins. The point was not that you need excellent modules to win fights, I've won plenty of fights vs T2 ships with my T1 fit. The point was that telling new players not to worry about core skills, skills that will make their attempts at winning fights wildly more successful, is downright wrong. The point was that rushing a new player into ships that they have no chance of properly fitting/using, and saying that there's no reason they shouldn't win just as easily, is wrong.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-09-07 23:48:21 UTC
Tolrok, you've been quite successfully trolled. Ease up brother. While you sweat & swear at your monitor the troll is drinking a cold mnt dew and laughing at the fact that this noob's question will likely not get the answer it deserves.

Also, +1 to the troll