These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

Forum Index

EVE Forums » EVE Gameplay Center » Ships & Modules » The Buzzard

Topic is locked indefinitely.

The Buzzard
Author

Previous Topic Next Topic

Hazen Koraka

HK Enterprises

Likes received: 201

#21 - 2012-09-05 07:10:30 UTC

Miregar Shakor wrote:

Quoting Ship Description:

Name: Buzzard
Hull: Heron Class
Role: Covert Ops Frigate

Designed for commando and espionage operation, its main strength is the ability to travel unseen through enemy territory and to avoid unfavorable encounters.

End quote. I don't really see the problem.
Well, that's a lie - I see it rather clearly. The problem lies with OP's inability to use The Brain, thinking a scalpel is as good of a tool for logging trees as a chainsaw.

Oh how I wish for an animated facepalm emoticon sometimes... What?

Bonus stuff:

[Buzzard, peek-a-boo]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption Script

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

How about the above poster only spoonfed descriptions and inability to adapt and think of other ways of doing things? Possible? No, I didn' think so.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Hazen Koraka

HK Enterprises

Likes received: 201

#22 - 2012-09-05 07:11:24 UTC | Edited by: Hazen Koraka

Zhilia Mann wrote:

Hazen Koraka wrote:

Thanks Zhilia for that fit, but if I wanted to specifically do both radars and magsites, as well as potential DED sites, the Gila I think wouldn't be viable?

What could I drop to free 2 med slots? The tracking link and a shield extender? Would that gimp the tank too much?

That's what your cargo hold is for. Most people who use T3s in low sec have a combat fit and a probing/professional site fit; do the same with your Gila. I'd drop the invuln and the omni for professional sites/probing and carry them to refit for a combat site if/when you find one.

Ok I guess I could do that, thanks Zhilia, you and Marc Callan are the only ones in this thread with anything constructive to say. 90% trolls in a thread, this forum is really gone to ****.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Deena Amaj

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 37

#23 - 2012-09-06 00:36:02 UTC

Hazen Koraka wrote:

Honestly, wtf is with these trolls?

So I didn't notice it has no frickkin drone bay... yeah.

And yes, I'm reconsidering it because of that fact..

I guess I could just not bother with the covops cloak which I dont really need in hisec, but makes this ship _pointless_ for losec exploration solo, as you can no way clear out losec rats with just a single weapon, it would take forever no?

Anyone with _actual_ experience of this rather than pointless trolling? Honestly....

It is unfortunately a standard to receive troll replies (or whatever tone and level of douchebag-ness) on Eve forums. Indeed, there are no drones.

Just to give you a heads up, the T1 variants may be receiving some 5 drones as according to the exploration frigate sticky @ Feature and Idea section. I see you posted there already.

That said, I guess you really might be better off waiting for that patch to hit.

Covops as they currently are are really for the espionage part. Regarding the commando part, it can be used for a few fun ideas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DjUru5Xw0

I'm guessing the concept did not involve drones because they would interfere with re-cloaking and/or bumping you out of cloak.

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.

Klymer

Hedion University

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 547

#24 - 2012-09-06 01:15:17 UTC | Edited by: Klymer

I used a variation of the following with good results in high and low sec. The ship is cheap enough that I don't mind losing it in gate camps. My Buzzard I save for nullsec scouting duty.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/53739-vexor-all-in-one-exploration-on-the-cheap.html

Once I have Amarr trained up I'm going to give this a try.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/32439-Pilgrim-All-in-one-Low-Sec-exploration.html

Hazen Koraka

HK Enterprises

Likes received: 201

#25 - 2012-09-06 07:17:59 UTC

Kylmer, have you tried your vexor with DED 5/10s? I've never really tried running these yet, though I once had a slight go with a similar arbitrator fit. Saying that, it got completely owned as it was gurista's space, and I got overpowered by incoming missile fire, when the rats were at like 120km away, too far for drones, and my tank just couldn't handle it. I've also heard that you need something on the order of 500 dps to be able to break the overseers tank in a 5/10.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Aaron Greil

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 44

#26 - 2012-09-06 19:44:31 UTC

OP you got troll comments because (perhaps without realizing it) you asked a very dumb question.

No ship was designed with the capabilities to solo exploration sites. Some ships, like the tengu, can be jury rigged to get the job done, but there is no ship class intended to both scan down, and complete low or zero sec sites by itself. This was intended as something to do as a small gang, or at very least, a pair. Eve has always been very hard on solo players.

You are evidently new if you are just getting covertops for the first time, so nothing against you for not knowing. In low sec, you will likely fight battlecruiser and battleship sized rats in those sites. There is a snowball's chance in hell that two drones and a rocket could scratch a battleship. More likely, you won't be able to bust through a battleship's tank. You need about 150 dps (at a painfully slow minimum) to run sites.

There are very few ships that can do this effectively, the ishtar and gila have both been named already, but both take some guts to fly in lowsec (especially for a new player). My personal recommendation is a covert proteus or a pilgrim. Both can explore decently well and be nice and safe doing it. Good luck.

Zhilia Mann

Tide Way Out Productions

Likes received: 3,040

#27 - 2012-09-06 19:48:52 UTC

Hazen Koraka wrote:

That Vexor will diaf in a 5/10.

Bill Serkoff2

Tachyon Technology

Likes received: 95

#28 - 2012-09-06 20:50:32 UTC

Hazen Koraka wrote:

Ok I guess I could do that, thanks Zhilia, you and Marc Callan are the only ones in this thread with anything constructive to say. 90% trolls in a thread, this forum is really gone to ****.

90%? Wow, this forum got less trolls?

"The Cyclone and the Drake are two ships which will basically never be good for shield tanking, primarily because they have almost no lowslots in addition to shield tanking bonuses. " -Iam Widdershins

Malcanis

Vanishing Point.

The Initiative.

Likes received: 18,382

#29 - 2012-09-06 20:53:56 UTC

Hazen Koraka wrote:

So, I completed my training for covert ops cloak so I can fully use the buzzard I bought a week or so back.

So I started fitting it last night and just discovered... it has no drone bay.. wth? Isn't it supposed to be a T2 version of the heron which has 1 drone?

I wanted to fit this for an all round explorer ship, but now I'm left with no drone to clear out radars etc that have rats in.

It also only has 3 highs, so you either forgoe the covops cloak (not wise if you wanna do losec) or drop the salvager - ok so you can't do magsites now either...

And you're left with what, 1 high slot for a weapon (after using covops, and a probe launcher).

Kinda gimped no? I guess it's not what this class of ship is meant to be (cloaky scout) but leaves a big hole. I may as well just stick with a heron I guess?

Try the Manticore.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Zan Shiro

Doomheim

Likes received: 900

#30 - 2012-09-07 00:03:48 UTC

Hazen Koraka wrote:

Ok I guess I could do that, thanks Zhilia, you and Marc Callan are the only ones in this thread with anything constructive to say. 90% trolls in a thread, this forum is really gone to ****.

they aren't trolling actually, jsut not candy coating the fact you backed the wrong pony on this one. Cov Ops you find and BM the site, go back and get the ship that will actually run the site. Or you run the CO on an alt.

Your "all in one" explorers would be t3's like tengu. Can fit the subs to probe and run them half decent. But even here, if solo the ideal method is probe, bm, dock, rearm for combat and run the site.

Myabe bc's like drake.

Or you can do this with frigate runs it must be frigs by doing the following:.

worm. lots of drones, can have some high slot deeps and a probe luancher

maybe caldari af's. The rockets don't thrill me for this to be honest.

x-train winmatar, run jag/wolf. they have the 3/4 high slots for guns. left over high slot launcher can be the probe launcher. Stick whatever the site needs in mid and tank the rest to your liking. I prefer jag for pve personally. Won't have the deeps of the wolf but you get better fitting flexibility. And she speed/sig tanks nice imo. this option if shooting drones alot I'd go 150 AC max. I find it a decent mix of deeps and tracking. Probably be easier fitting for probe luancher as well (cba to eft one atm lol).

yes...you don't get probe bonii with non CO frigate options. But as youa re seeing with your CO, you are getting that but not offensive ability. Gonna have to pick your poison here. Longer probe times but can run the site, or fast find time and you can't run the site worth a damn.

Previous page12