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Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-03 22:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Chloe Aurilen
If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video should be worth at least a few more...

YouTube video...

Basically, I get a hit, I center probe cross on it. In the past, I'd simply continue centering, lowering scan range, and tightening the pack until I get a lock. Historically this method has worked well for me. Suddenly with no changes, I am almost completely unable to scan down ANYTHING. I get a red dot on map, re-center, tighten pack, scan again. Dot appears in same spot, I decrease scan range, tighten pack, dot disappears. I increase scan range again, and there's the dot, dead in the center of my probes again. I have no clue what I'm doing wrong. I have successfully scanned quite a lot in the past, so I dunno if I've just gone stupid or what... If anyone sees anything, I'd certainly love any feedback I can get.. I'm very stumped.

Also, I have consulted with both Google and YouTube.. it seems the method I'm attempting to use is the most popular and effective for EVE exploration. Additionally, I have skills at the following:

Astrometrics IV
Acquisition III
Pinpointing IV
Rangefinding IV

Using Sister's Expanded launcher + Sister's Core Probes. I have a 10% signal strength implant, 10% pinpointing implant, and I'm flying a Legion with the Amarr Electronics Subsystem skill to IV (with the Emergent Locus Analyzer subsystem fitted). I would think my skills and other bonuses are enough to find all but the most difficult to spot things, but maybe not? Help would be hugely appreciated!
Dirael Papier
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#2 - 2012-09-03 22:32:55 UTC
Filters are not your friend when scanning.

Basically, if you set a filter to ignore everything except for say, Gravimetric sites, your first scan will show all signature types (gravimetric or otherwise). Then you pick a signature that's a red dot, and close in on it until it's greater than 50%, at which point it disappears. This is because, having gotten a high enough scan resolution, the scanner finally knows what type the signature is, and in our example it sees something that's not a grav site and simply stops showing it.

So just make sure you aren't filtering out anything.
Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-09-03 22:34:56 UTC
I double checked my filter. I have all cosmic signature types selected for that filter (grav, mag, radar, ladar, and unknown).
Dirael Papier
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#4 - 2012-09-03 22:41:17 UTC
Chloe Aurilen wrote:
I double checked my filter. I have all cosmic signature types selected for that filter (grav, mag, radar, ladar, and unknown).

Dunno, definitely sounds like a filter issue though. Your skills should be plenty high enough that you wouldn't be dropping signatures like that.
Archa4 Badasaz
Vangazhi
#5 - 2012-09-03 22:42:54 UTC
Hm...
Doublecheck the correct filter is selected from the list (nothing else comes to mind)...
Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-03 22:50:37 UTC
When I go from showing result to result not showing, I'm not changing the filters though... I'll try turning them off and see if it makes a difference. Thanks for taking a look! :)
Dirael Papier
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#7 - 2012-09-03 23:28:28 UTC
Try this.

Scan like you have been, with the same filter and everything. Once you get to the point where the signature disappears, change the filter to one called Show all (should be one of the default filters. If not then make a new one with everything selected). It should update when you change filters and show the signature again, but if it doesn't then try just hitting scan again to make sure it updates.

If it still doesn't show the signature then it might be an issue with something else.
Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-03 23:34:30 UTC
Yeah, tried that, didn't seem to help... then I kept playing around with it.

At the 4 AU and 8 AU range, I was centering probes, then immediately trying to tighten the cluster and lower scan range.. that was the wrong thing to do. If I center probes and scan again without changing range or grouping and repeat until the signal strength increases, that seems to be doing the trick! I just scanned down 6 or 7 different things with no issues at all.

You'd think I would have discovered that earlier today - I guess I was just being too impatient. Thanks again for taking a look at it, I think I'm good to go now!
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-09-04 02:22:21 UTC
You might want to play around with the way that you arrange your probes as well. I typically do 4 outer probes at 8 au and 3 inner probes at 2au-.25au. That arrangement should work all they way up through C4s; for certain signatures that are particularly difficult you may have to shrink your outer probes to 4 au just to make it a little easier on yourself.

Until you get a 25% hit (declaring what type of signature it is) you're very likely to get some scan deviation. Certain signatures (mags, radars, some wormholes) will have significant deviation even up into the 40s.

Svodola Darkfury.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#10 - 2012-09-04 02:31:08 UTC
I had this issue. It was last year and you wont like what I had to do..., it involves format and reinstall of windows...
I you dont windoors as your OS, then you got me, I dont know....

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers
#11 - 2012-09-04 06:49:30 UTC
Turn off your filters completely. Also, try going to a top down view every once in a while. I noticed you rarely did that. I do it like this. For anom and sig scanning, no filter whatsoever. I do top down then horizontal, then back to top down to make it as close as I can get.

I decided to never use filters for normal scanning because things like this happen occasionally.
Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-04 14:23:41 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
I had this issue. It was last year and you wont like what I had to do..., it involves format and reinstall of windows...
I you dont windoors as your OS, then you got me, I dont know....

You're joking, right? :)
Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-04 14:28:45 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
Turn off your filters completely. Also, try going to a top down view every once in a while. I noticed you rarely did that. I do it like this. For anom and sig scanning, no filter whatsoever. I do top down then horizontal, then back to top down to make it as close as I can get.


If you look from one side (call it the X axis), then rotate the map 90°, you're looking along the Y axis. The Z axis is up and down, so those 2 perspectives should cover all axes. Figuring that out saved me a bit of time by not having to rotate the map quite as much.

Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Until you get a 25% hit (declaring what type of signature it is) you're very likely to get some scan deviation. Certain signatures (mags, radars, some wormholes) will have significant deviation even up into the 40s.


THIS is exactly what was biting me. I wasn't letting the probes get a strong enough signal before bringing all the probes in on top of the little red dot. With a bit of practice last night, I found there wasn't a signal signature I couldn't find within about 3-5 minutes.
Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-04 15:14:07 UTC
... OK, so I hate to admit this, but to all those saying it was the filters: you were right. I was scanning on my PC all day and finding nothing. I moved to my laptop last night and suddenly found everything I tried to scan down. Filter on laptop was right, filter on PC was busted.

I am an idiot. Apologies for wasting everyone's time.. argh! Oops
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#15 - 2012-09-04 23:23:25 UTC
So you are not gonna format?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Chloe Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-09-05 02:52:25 UTC
Lol Nah, I think I'm good now. Thanks for the, uh, suggestion though!