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Janitor Intelligence Agency: Needs You!

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Ishmahri Aulx-Gao
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-09-04 23:01:50 UTC
I for one am with this!

I do not understand those that seek to speak ill of these innocent people that have nothing but helped us in all these years,by taking out the trash, or do other jobs we arnt even aware of that get done.

And now they ask for our help, and some of you offer them only a slap in there face, shame on you, shame on you all!

Janitor to not take heat to those words and do not let it discourage you in what most be done, cleaning up that spill down the that corner of the station!

I for one shall send them much needed fresh and new janitors.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#22 - 2012-09-05 00:55:26 UTC
Wabisuke wrote:

Good sir,

I do applaud you for your effort in this matter, so do not consider this to be meant rude.

But I assume your a pilot of a mighty war ship, which is pilot by a human, would it not be much more efficiently to have a more advance AI pilot instead, yes, it would.

However some things we prefer to give a more " human " touch to, and thus us Janitors are the same in that aspect.

I thank those that have said kind words of support as well, it make's us Janitors know that there are people that do appreciated the work done by us.

Wabisuke
Head Janitor Of Janitor Intelligence Agency

Ah, no. There aren't many AI's that we can make currently that can pilot a combat ship as effectively as a capsuleer or a True Slave can manage.

On the other hand, a simple AI can do the job a janitor can do, and there is no "human touch" required. I'd much rather have those people doing something much more worthy of their time as sapient beings.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#23 - 2012-09-07 06:52:43 UTC
Janitors are deserving of our respect. They do a thankless but, very necessary job that we prefer not to handle ourselves and I personally find their services most valuable.

Should I come across any in the course of my travels I'll most happily have them contact Pilot Wabisuke.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Jev North
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-09-07 09:39:05 UTC
I've got this jump bridge up in Kehjari I'm looking to sell.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#25 - 2012-09-07 10:00:30 UTC
Your supposed altruistic endavour aside, I think your offer could be a bit more... motivating if you offered some kinda of a minimal compensation.
You might want to check market data for the group in question and cover at least 50% of the merchandise's net worth; this might give you better feedback from the community and make it more of a 'win-win' scenario.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#26 - 2012-09-07 18:38:49 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Janitors are deserving of our respect. They do a thankless but, very necessary job that we prefer not to handle ourselves and I personally find their services most valuable.

Should I come across any in the course of my travels I'll most happily have them contact Pilot Wabisuke.



It's a necessary job.

It is not necessary for people to be doing it.
HeimdaIl
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-09-08 14:38:38 UTC
We all serve his Grace in some way.
Cleaning the universe of a different sort of trash is surely the will of God as well.

Go forth proud Janitors and cleanse the universe of its trash only in the way you can.
May you continue to do the Lord's work, as humble as it may be.
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#28 - 2012-09-08 14:59:02 UTC
Tiberious, your description of a cleaning drone leaves much to be desired.
For instance, if a capsuleer was to purchase an ornament or piece of furniture after purchasing and activating the cleaning drone you describe, such items would be considered disposable by such a drone.

While we understand your inference we would note that you are currently lacking your usual eloquence.

It is our experience that independant living janitors are capable of making reasoned decisions regarding the items that should be removed, however we find that a daily nano-sweep ensures that Unit facilities remain as sterile environments.

We Return.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#29 - 2012-09-08 17:17:33 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
Tiberious, your description of a cleaning drone leaves much to be desired.
For instance, if a capsuleer was to purchase an ornament or piece of furniture after purchasing and activating the cleaning drone you describe, such items would be considered disposable by such a drone.

While we understand your inference we would note that you are currently lacking your usual eloquence.

It is our experience that independant living janitors are capable of making reasoned decisions regarding the items that should be removed, however we find that a daily nano-sweep ensures that Unit facilities remain as sterile environments.

We Return.


Don't be pedantic. I'm not going to get into a serious debate about the specifics of ******* janitor drones.
Red Miromme
Scarlet Ventures
#30 - 2012-09-09 18:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Red Miromme
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


Don't be pedantic. I'm not going to get into a serious debate about the specifics of ******* janitor drones.


I am, perhaps, a bit confused as to why you felt the need to voice your opinion without defending it. Why not debate the differences that you perceive between janitor drones and human janitors, why you believe the "human touch" is not required, etcetera? I, for one, would find that extremely interesting.

Without defending your points, my good captain, I'm afraid that I, personally, cannot lend any validity to your statements on the matter.

Red Miromme Chief Diplomat and Recruitment Officer, Jin-Mei Mercantile Club

Wabisuke
Janitor Intelligence Agency
#31 - 2012-09-18 14:08:34 UTC
Yes even though as said a Drone can do the job we perform, many still prefer a acutely Janitor to do these type of jobs.

If you have any issues with that, I truly am sorry, but we are not to talk about such issues here today.
If you continue to have issues with us " real " Janitors, feel free to drop by our office, which are always clean & tidy, and we could talk more about that subject.

Wabisuke
Head Janitor of Janitor Intelligence Agency
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#32 - 2012-09-18 14:23:42 UTC
My quarters are 100% clean and tidy to the point of having no harmful bacteria, because tiny little machines of bacterium size have gone through and eliminated those bacterium with extreme prejudice. Best of all, every single human and/or thinking being on my ship was not required to waste their time doing it, which would have been harder for them anyways because they would have difficulty even perceiving the little buggers.

Larger-scale tidying is handled by non-sentient AI that is capable of making minor decisions on its own, such as "If there is a pile of papers on this desk, I will stack it neatly in the corner, but if it's on the floor it is going in the garbage, unless it has been specifically tagged as important by the computer system". A human janitor would be able to do this, of course, but unless they were wearing extra peripherals to consult the main computer system database they would not know if they paper on the floor was important without looking at it, and this is not something that I want them doing.

A human janitor is someone who is a potential engineer, or a scientist, or a poet, or a thousand other jobs requiring sentience and artistry. Cleaning up is not one of those things. Therefore a human janitor where a drone would do is a waste of potential.
Red Miromme
Scarlet Ventures
#33 - 2012-09-21 06:55:57 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Therefore a human janitor where a drone would do is a waste of potential.


Human potential is not limited to the occupation one chooses (or, in some cases, might be forced into).

Being an excellent janitor does not mean that one cannot also pursue art or science in their spare time. It does not mean that one cannot excel at art or science at the same time. It does not mean that one cannot be passionate about, or talented at, other professions at the same time.

Perhaps the human being who is cleaning up that spilled Quafe is also an excellent pianist who strives to perfect their art for their own benefit during their off-hours. Certainly, there are drones that can be programmed to play the piano just as well, if not technically better, but the music would be without the heart and soul that only a sentient being can lend to it after years of pursuing the art with great passion.

Then again, if one doesn't have much of an ear for music, one might not notice the difference between the droid that has been perfectly programmed to play the instrument, or the janitor who has been laboring at his art in his off-hours for years on end. Just like one might not notice the difference between the droid that mops the floor, or a human who mops the floor.

Red Miromme Chief Diplomat and Recruitment Officer, Jin-Mei Mercantile Club

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-09-21 11:38:17 UTC
We are taught that there is honor in Duty.

Whatever duty you may perform, perform it well and to its fullest. In so doing, you will demonstrate merit and provide for yourself and your family.

We are taught that there is honor in Duty.

From the janitor cleaning the spills of others to the soldier fighting on the front lines, duty demands that we each give our all in service for if there is need for it to be done then there is honor in doing it.

There is honor in Duty.

~Malcolm Khross

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#35 - 2012-09-21 12:27:54 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
We are taught that there is honor in Duty.

Whatever duty you may perform, perform it well and to its fullest. In so doing, you will demonstrate merit and provide for yourself and your family.

We are taught that there is honor in Duty.

From the janitor cleaning the spills of others to the soldier fighting on the front lines, duty demands that we each give our all in service for if there is need for it to be done then there is honor in doing it.

There is honor in Duty.


Honor? How about usefulness.

Leave the cleanup to the drones, you luddites. Let your janitors become scientists, technicians, engineers, philosophers, poets. If certain people in your society really feel the need to continue to waste their time doing something a machine can do as well or better, then either let them pursue it as a hobby, or get them the psychological help they need, depending on severity.

Or, if your society demands that people serve in these roles, then fix your society so it isn't so trapped by barbarian ideology.

Stop wasting the one most precious and finite resource (sentience) on things a simple AI can handle.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-09-21 12:40:05 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

Honor? How about usefulness.

Leave the cleanup to the drones, you luddites. Let your janitors become scientists, technicians, engineers, philosophers, poets. If certain people in your society really feel the need to continue to waste their time doing something a machine can do as well or better, then either let them pursue it as a hobby, or get them the psychological help they need, depending on severity.

Or, if your society demands that people serve in these roles, then fix your society so it isn't so trapped by barbarian ideology.

Stop wasting the one most precious and finite resource (sentience) on things a simple AI can handle.


What you don't seem to grasp Thessalonia is that "honor" to the Caldari is earned through merit, which is only earned through usefulness.

You will find that some people are actually suited to such work and not suited to work as scientists, technicians, engineers, philosophers, poets or other roles (though I admit I find it amusing and ironic that you consider poetry useful but utility work not). The fact that these individuals are still capable of earning merit and providing for themselves and their families rather than becoming Disassociated beggars is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

~Malcolm Khross

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#37 - 2012-09-21 12:46:13 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:

What you don't seem to grasp Thessalonia is that "honor" to the Caldari is earned through merit, which is only earned through usefulness.

You will find that some people are actually suited to such work and not suited to work as scientists, technicians, engineers, philosophers, poets or other roles (though I admit I find it amusing and ironic that you consider poetry useful but utility work not). The fact that these individuals are still capable of earning merit and providing for themselves and their families rather than becoming Disassociated beggars is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.


People can be trained into useful professions. Every person can be.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-09-21 18:47:20 UTC
I was once assigned a mission to eliminate a certain entertainment facility known as the Pleasure Garden, which was owned and operated by a gentleman named Krull. During the ensuing shootout, the poor fellow was unfortunately reduced to nothing more than a vapor of his DNA.

Be that as it may, I did have the pleasure of rescuing 10 janitors from the wreckage of the... well, bordello. I found them to be very honest, forthright souls. Their tales of their lives and hard times were rather philosophical. And some of their stories about living and working in the Pleasure Garden were real eye-openers. While cleaning up the discarded items of a quarters, an office, or a bordello, janitors come across all sorts of interesting things. Things that tell stories about people; stories that those people probably did not guess had ever been told. If only for that reason, it is probably wise not to forget about one's janitors.
Red Miromme
Scarlet Ventures
#39 - 2012-09-21 19:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Red Miromme
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Stop wasting the one most precious and finite resource (sentience) on things a simple AI can handle.


The beauty of possessing sentience is having the ability to choose what one does with it. This isn't a matter of being afraid of technology, captain, it's a matter of having the free will to choose what you do with the precious gift of sentience. Just because you do not see merit in something does not render it useless.

No one is saying you should stop using drones to clean your spaces, my good captain, or that we should stop using drones for the task altogether. The point that I, personally, was trying to get across, is that some people simply do not wish to be scientists, or scholars, or capsuleers, or whathaveyou: some people simply wish to do the best job they can as a janitor.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
People can be trained into useful professions. Every person can be.


Forcing someone to do something they don't love is a waste of their human potential, because they simply will not put the effort forward required to do their task well. You might as well train a drone to do the job in that case, yeah?

Red Miromme Chief Diplomat and Recruitment Officer, Jin-Mei Mercantile Club

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#40 - 2012-09-21 20:12:11 UTC
Red, just because someone wishes to do something is insufficient cause to let them do it. I consider wasting potential to be one of those things that should not be allowed. It's a sign of mental illness and should be corrected.

The good thing is that it CAN be corrected! Hooray for the advancement of science!
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