Science & Industry

The people yelling for T2 BPO's to be removed should first spend 15 bil buying one, as a future investment.

We, the people who spent hard earned cash on T2 bpo's, don't want our investments to dissapear into thin air.

I didn't win any lottery, I didn't rob anyone. I spent serveral years playing the market, mining and ratting to buy my T2 BPOs. I dont own many and quite frankly I have yet to earn any money from them.

You need to understand that most T2 BPO's have long production timers and or near zero profit.

Take my Berserker II BPO, it might be valued at around 25 bil give or take but I earn nothing producing them because the profit is next to zero compared to how much you need to spend to buy such a BPO.

To give you some numbers to think about:

I can produce 16200 Berserker II's in a year if the BPO is in production 24/7.

Manufacture cost(16200 Runs): 7 795 576 663.43 ISK
Manufacture cost one unit: 481 208.44 ISK
Minimum sell cost (16200 Runs): 7 951 488 196.70 ISK
Minimum sell cost one unit: 490 832.60 ISK
Market profit (16200 runs): 571 075 336.57 ISK
Market profit one unit: 35 251.56 ISK
ISK/h: 65 319.07 ISK
Profit %: 7.33%

This is what I spend and earn per YEAR from my Berserker II BPO. 571 mil in profit per year from a 25 bil investment.

If we assume that the value of said BPO is 25 bil then at the current market prices it will take me 43,7 years to earn 25 bil in pure profit from it.

43,7 Earth years. Yes.

Please rethink your reason for creating this plead to remove T2BPOs.

This is the best argument against removal that has touched this topic to date, very nice, the smalltime Industrialists moving into their bigtime is a warm sight to see, I bet this is exactly how CCP intended this T2 Lottery to Play out, but in fact, its not this pretty 95% of the time.

Far earlier into this subject, I have mentioned several times, that if there is a T2 removal or Massive change to the entire segment, the option to refund owners the estimated amount should be considered and a good long thought should be given before making any changes to the T2 BPO project are to be made, to avoid Volatility and possible catastrophic results to the Market ecosystem are just some "Ingame reasons"

The result CAN aim for More players to be recruited into the CCP 514/EvE project, ample but profitable supply of all goods to be available to the general playerbase and the ability to make anything from scratch all on your own should be an important Tertiary goal, The later half CCP is actually doing a superb job, and very minimal Market interruption is being incurred.

10/10 excellent job.

But all games Aside, this is my main reason Why im here, fighting for this "Option" and is my response to your compelling argument.

Several months ago we began to see a drop in New blood entering the game, CCP responded with a solid decision to Protect newbies for at-least a few days while they learn to control their ships, how to scan and most importantly so they can focus on making their first friends in the game in hopes of retaining these new customers long enough to for them to see just how unique and incredible this game really is at its very heart once they actually head out and run into the likes of me on the forums or you on the Niarja gate as some random examples.

If CCP, where to make a strong push, which they likely will with DUST514, players can flood the eve servers by the tens of thousands and retaining them longer then 6 months could mean actually doing whatever needs be done to really hook them, and you,(large scale) T2 BPO holders, may actually want to consider this a viable tradeoff.

like most if not all of the posters here on this topic, Removal, Modification or otherwise Giving them something very special is a Legitimate option within options we CANNOT ignore and I believe CCP has is closely following this topic because they already understand exactly that, its in yours, mines and their best interests to Nab as many new players into this game as possible and retain them for (hopefully) years.

This is one of these subjects that CCP can use to gain and retain a stronger and solid player base in the case they decide to pursue a very certain type of advertisement campaign but only if certain circumstances and accurances actually take place.

Or eve will grow and live like it did the past 7 years aswell with T2 BPO`s as they are

I suspended 13 accounts and have not played EVE for 3+ months, and my 25 T2BPOs are taking dust unproducing. for 2 reasons :

- Diablo 3 (basic and fun, no headaches, no spreadsheets)
- Sheer amount of bad faith and stupidity from bitter complainers who don't understand the basics of the game and spend their time giving advices that nobody asked for.

I was looking forward to doing T2 industry and even though select t2 fields are open to noobs where demand surpasses T2BPO production numbers I choose not to engage in the activity. I don't see why I should be offered the scraps while CCP has selected a player to have first pickings and a monopoly over that item.

I do however produce T2 rigs and other items where CCP has not given a chosen player the ability to out perform noobs. Yet I still hope CCP introduces BPO's for rigs and for T3. As all of you lot are saying T2BPO's don't harm the game what so ever and are all round amazing so please CCP seed T3 BPO's and rig BPO's because as you can see they are great just ask idiots such as shar'ra matcevsovski . She'll explain why gifted BPO's are great for the game.

I think a system could work where invention would be "newb" T2 production with low barrier to entry and then vets would be able to buy expensive T2 BPOs from NPCs just like any other BPO is available from NPCs. The prices on them could be relatively high compared to build cost.

That would be fine until T2 BPOs reached the saturation point, then the bottom would fall out from invention.

Look at the Supercap and Titan BPC markets. A Titan BPC used to sell for about 20b so everyone and their brother who could afford to bought Titan BPOs for copying and now they sell for ~4b. The decline happened effectively overnight as the number of BPCs available reached and exceeded the demand for them.

Seed unlimited new T2 BPOs and people will buy them and knock the bottom out of the Invention market.

If you choose not to engage in the activity, then why do you care to comment on it? What gives you any weight to your opinion if you do not do it? That's like me commenting on faction warfare and how unfair it is, which I have chosen not to engage in.

My theory is that you like the attention, good or bad. That's why after three months of no one posting in this thread you go and copy it on another forum and link it back here. I mean as you said earlier, if you posted it in the general forum you would have got a lot more posts. That's what matters right? Not your poorly informed, logic defficient arguments - its all about the attention and post count.

The conditions are as fair as they could be...but making isk with T2 BPO´s is kindoff Indy-engame gameplay so you cant complain as a newer or casual player that you cant get in there yet. I know you do anyway

Leave them in. Just buff Invention and make T2 BPOs obsolete.