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Frying Doom
#501 - 2012-08-30 14:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
CCP Guard wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)

But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?

Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system


The checks that are in place are pretty much the same as we have for others who have some access to our back end tools. We don't have any problem with people reporting their suspicions to us (on the contrary), through a petition or mail, but we want and need some evidence to be presented and when people spread rumors publicly without a shred of evidence, we don't take kindly to it any more than if people spread unsupported rumors about CCP staff. Rumors without evidence do nothing but stir up bad vibes.

Lets imagine that you knew of actual bad things, what would be more productive...presenting the same evidence that convinced you to the people responsible, or starting a thread about it without including any evidence?

retracted

I saw the chicken launcher.Cool

Just for the record I was not accusing the ISDs of anything I was just inquiring as to whether adequate security measures so prevent corruption where in place. My apologies if you believed I was rumor mongering on such a dangerous subject.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#502 - 2012-08-30 18:04:32 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
CCP Guard wrote:


Lets imagine that you knew of actual bad things, what would be more productive...presenting the same evidence that convinced you to the people responsible, or starting a thread about it without including any evidence?


We live in the age of blogger news & 'internet facts' every1 now & thier mothers post thier tinfoil hat conspiracies and respectable news organizations like Fox NEWS reports them as fact in the media w/o any collaberation or any scientific evidence Blink

That is how we know there is no global warming & we also know illeginamate rapes turn into pregnancies & legitimate ones are aborted by the magical preganacy fairy naturally Roll
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Pipa Porto
#503 - 2012-08-30 22:46:22 UTC
MailDeadDrop wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Lets imagine that you knew of actual bad things, what would be more productive...presenting the same evidence that convinced you to the people responsible, or starting a thread about it without including any evidence?

Let's make your strawman a bit more real. Let's assume that starting a thread about it gets the powers-that-be involved in a day or two, while submitting a petition (in late July) gets them involved in a month or two. Which do *you* think is more effective?

MDD


He's asking "why not post the evidence in the thread you're starting?"

If you have some evidence (the evidence that convinced you that there was a problem), why would you post a thread detailing the problem without providing that evidence that convinced you?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#504 - 2012-08-31 04:55:39 UTC
For the record if it is a genuine issue (exploit, harassment etc) and is filed in the correct heading, it gets handled pretty fast.


Just don't expect a response right away for a reimbursement request, of which there are likely hundreds every day.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#505 - 2012-09-01 17:40:02 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
It has become apparent over the last 24 hours that players are upset at the perceived locking of legitimate discussion threads on the forums.


Not only that, but locking of legitimate fun threads created with honest intentions.

There is a double standard going on with the "fun" threads throughout the forums (specifically General Discussion). This kind of inconsistency undermines your entire team.

The "fun" threads being those threads:

The Like and Get Likes Thread
What is the avatar above you thinking?
What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed?

While ISD locks all other fun threads instead of letting them die out as they usually do. They even go as far to call these threads "spam threads" and "troll threads" but this shows bias because how are the 3 threads I listed considered valid by their standards?


I agree. Either lock the stupid threads listed above or GTFO of other similar threads.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#506 - 2012-09-03 00:22:01 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
It has become apparent over the last 24 hours that players are upset at the perceived locking of legitimate discussion threads on the forums.


Not only that, but locking of legitimate fun threads created with honest intentions.

There is a double standard going on with the "fun" threads throughout the forums (specifically General Discussion). This kind of inconsistency undermines your entire team.

The "fun" threads being those threads:

The Like and Get Likes Thread
What is the avatar above you thinking?
What would you say if you woke up to the Avatar above you in your bed?

While ISD locks all other fun threads instead of letting them die out as they usually do. They even go as far to call these threads "spam threads" and "troll threads" but this shows bias because how are the 3 threads I listed considered valid by their standards?


I agree. Either lock the stupid threads listed above or GTFO of other similar threads.


I have come to agree on this. Other than the rate avatar thread (it does have some legitimate purpose).
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Stealth Alliance
#507 - 2012-09-04 03:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Not only the number of threads that CCL locks, frequently for no reason, but the venom with which he notifies posters in those threads of his actions. He does it with such snide. It's as if it's us against them when it comes to ISD's. In the interests of keeping the forums an enjoyable place to hangout, the CCL need purging and replacing with moderators who are actually fond of the EVE community.

At this very moment, 5 of the threads on the front page of GD are locked. I will list a selection of comments he most politely left when enjoying his authority:

Quote:
This thread is bad and you should feel bad. Thread locked for a lack of content


Quote:
What an interesting thread. Oh, no it wasn't. Thread locked


Quote:
Thread started off pretty bad and got progressively worse so I'm locking it


Personally I think, if you're going to excersize your powers to get your power trip off, you could at least do it politely.


Edit: Personal attacks removed. Please stay polite and constructive, CCP Phantom

Damn nature, you scary!
Pipa Porto
#508 - 2012-09-04 07:42:44 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
Personally I think, if you're going to excersize your powers to get your power trip off, you could at least do it politely.


You clearly don't remember the way heroes like Zymurgist locked threads. CCP employees used to pretty regularly troll people on these here forums, and that was a good thing.

I think ISD Type40 is being a little bit quick to lock some of those threads, but showing some personality in the messages used in the course of moderation isn't a bad thing.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#509 - 2012-09-04 12:00:37 UTC
Yeah I am with Pipa, the ISD do respond with the same quips that CCP uses when they lock threads. But of course the devs usually have a more fun or joyous personality too at times, (probably comes from being paid, rather then doing voluntary work, but suppose the devs do voluntary work on the forums as well.) to make the slam not so personal or annoying.

But still reminds me of how "players" or devs post too.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#510 - 2012-09-04 13:14:49 UTC
ISD TYPE40 just locked a thread about graphics upgrades to how ships react to taking damage: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150629&find=unread

No one likes a whistle blowing rulebook crazy volunteer moderator on a video game forum.

Either talk to him or get rid of him. He's about as annoying as they come.

Not today spaghetti.
minerdave
wiggle Tech.
#511 - 2012-09-04 13:25:12 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
ISD TYPE40 just locked a thread about graphics upgrades to how ships react to taking damage: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150629&find=unread

No one likes a whistle blowing rulebook crazy volunteer moderator on a video game forum.

Either talk to him or get rid of him. He's about as annoying as they come.



Really? JUST locked? Are you sure you don't want to try that again?
Frying Doom
#512 - 2012-09-04 13:27:21 UTC
minerdave wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
ISD TYPE40 just locked a thread about graphics upgrades to how ships react to taking damage: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150629&find=unread

No one likes a whistle blowing rulebook crazy volunteer moderator on a video game forum.

Either talk to him or get rid of him. He's about as annoying as they come.



Really? JUST locked? Are you sure you don't want to try that again?

That is nit picking in its finest. It was 6 hours ago not a week

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pook Nasty
Doomheim
#513 - 2012-09-04 15:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Pook Nasty
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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#514 - 2012-09-04 17:01:32 UTC
Pook Nasty wrote:
He needs to go! His behavior is completely unacceptable. If removed the ISD may not be hated nearly as much. I realize he will edit my post to say something different, than delete it to cover how his crimes. I'm sure I'll be banned shortly after. But, I don't care! Type40 is a griefer, he has ruined my Eve experience. I realize you are protecting him be cause he's free labor. But when is free labor no longer worth it? I'm only one customer. One customer with 9 accounts who buys his plex directly from the account management page at an inflated rate. How many customers like me can you afford to lose? Those ones add up.

Thats a little excessive.

He is doing a decent job (aside from the character bazaar bit), and the majority of the threads he has locked have been legitimate.

He also has a nice sense of humor, so maybe you need to work on that.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#515 - 2012-09-04 17:02:42 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
ISD TYPE40 just locked a thread about graphics upgrades to how ships react to taking damage: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150629&find=unread

No one likes a whistle blowing rulebook crazy volunteer moderator on a video game forum.

Either talk to him or get rid of him. He's about as annoying as they come.

That thread should have been locked.

It was trolling (though cleverly hidden using a legitimate idea) and if serious was int he wrong area (F&I for ideas to die).
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#516 - 2012-09-04 17:14:04 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
ISD TYPE40 just locked a thread about graphics upgrades to how ships react to taking damage: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150629&find=unread

No one likes a whistle blowing rulebook crazy volunteer moderator on a video game forum.

Either talk to him or get rid of him. He's about as annoying as they come.

That thread should have been locked.

It was trolling (though cleverly hidden using a legitimate idea) and if serious was int he wrong area (F&I for ideas to die).


As opposed to the normal flow of non-trolling strictly on topic posts of general discussion?

The point is that he's taking it too far and way too seriously, to the point he seems like hes on a power trip.

Sexy Cakes wrote:
No one likes a whistle blowing rulebook crazy volunteer moderator on a video game forum.

Not today spaghetti.
Pook Nasty
Doomheim
#517 - 2012-09-04 17:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Pook Nasty
Corina Jarr wrote:
Pook Nasty wrote:
He needs to go! His behavior is completely unacceptable. If removed the ISD may not be hated nearly as much. I realize he will edit my post to say something different, than delete it to cover how his crimes. I'm sure I'll be banned shortly after. But, I don't care! Type40 is a griefer, he has ruined my Eve experience. I realize you are protecting him be cause he's free labor. But when is free labor no longer worth it? I'm only one customer. One customer with 9 accounts who buys his plex directly from the account management page at an inflated rate. How many customers like me can you afford to lose? Those ones add up.

Thats a little excessive.

He is doing a decent job (aside from the character bazaar bit), and the majority of the threads he has locked have been legitimate.

He also has a nice sense of humor, so maybe you need to work on that.



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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#518 - 2012-09-04 17:57:17 UTC
Pook Nasty wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Pook Nasty wrote:
He needs to go! His behavior is completely unacceptable. If removed the ISD may not be hated nearly as much. I realize he will edit my post to say something different, than delete it to cover how his crimes. I'm sure I'll be banned shortly after. But, I don't care! Type40 is a griefer, he has ruined my Eve experience. I realize you are protecting him be cause he's free labor. But when is free labor no longer worth it? I'm only one customer. One customer with 9 accounts who buys his plex directly from the account management page at an inflated rate. How many customers like me can you afford to lose? Those ones add up.

Thats a little excessive.

He is doing a decent job (aside from the character bazaar bit), and the majority of the threads he has locked have been legitimate.

He also has a nice sense of humor, so maybe you need to work on that.



He's doing his job? Only if his job is agitating the posters. If you spend enough time on the forums you'll see that most of his trolls are personal and have very little to do with rules. He's obviously been around for while and brought his grudges with him to his ISD alt.

Somewhere after the 20 or 25th time your attempt to respond to a thread with a well though out response is shot down because he decided to troll the OP after you started typing you start foucusing on how many people he's trolling. Than I decided my time is waisted discussing Eve and it should be spent discussing the real problem. At which point you are added to his trolling list. I'm not just going to set back and take it, I'm going to troll back. Petition is a waist of time, CCP is going to side with their free labor. Moderation can not be discussed because it's corrupt.

So I fight back untill each account is banned. Each account that's banned mean one less sub and one less plex to support that sub. $ is the only voice you have.

I see no problem with him trolling trolls.

So what if he has a grudge against people who can't follow the rules.
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#519 - 2012-09-04 19:37:27 UTC
For the most part the monitoring has seemed ok (or even lax on many occasions) but there have been a few instances where a thread was locked and I was surprised as much worse trolling or insulting threads were left open to go on and on.

Hard to judge really... and you can never make everyone happy.

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

ISD BiscuitThief
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#520 - 2012-09-04 20:37:57 UTC
I seem to have chosen a very opportune time to poke my head in and say hi, oh well...

Hi Everyone,

I've just joined the CCL team, you may have seen my face already in a couple of posts, moving them to the right place and general janitorial stuff like that, however, the time has come for me to come clean about my past.

As a player, I've been here since early 2004, created my second account that same year and have been playing pretty much constantly since (everyone takes a break once or twice though right?). I decided that EVE has given me enough over the last 8 years, and that I'd like to give it a little back.

Obviously I'll be spending my time here trying to make the forums a nicer place, and I'd like to make it clear from the outset that I have no axe to grind, but please bear with me as I find my feet and work out the difference between the like button and the lock button :)

BiscuitThief

ISD BiscuitThief Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department