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Doddy

Excidium.

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#41 - 2012-09-04 15:15:29 UTC

Funky Lazers wrote:

Zhilia Mann wrote:

Funky Lazers wrote:

This doesn't solve the actual problem.

It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem.

Forget about me.

Why hisec agents give lowsec missions?

Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions.
So, what's the point if people decline them?

Cos some people don't decline them, thus providing content for lo sec players Twisted

Roime

Mea Culpa.

Shadow Cartel

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#42 - 2012-09-04 18:36:12 UTC

Daniel Plain wrote:

Roime wrote:

But not as much as running missions does.

not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.'

Yes, everybody has same access to all areas of EVE, you are only limited by the choices you make. And the limitations are hardly ever permanent, so you can choose again.

I personally found trading infinitely more interesting and engaging than grinding the same missions over and over again. And I also like the fact that I haven't had to grind PVE for ISK since last December.

Daniel Plain

Doomheim

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#43 - 2012-09-04 19:44:23 UTC

Roime wrote:

Daniel Plain wrote:

Roime wrote:

But not as much as running missions does.

not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.'

just because you can go anywhere does not mean you can do anything. it also does not mean that you are coming back rich or at all. if you find crunching numbers and fighting .01ISK wars more interesting than actually blowing things up, be my guest. but please don't assume that everyone does and don't make arrogant remarks about other people's playstyle.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Renan Ruivo

Forcas armadas

Brave Collective

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#44 - 2012-09-04 20:13:50 UTC | Edited by: Renan Ruivo

Funky Lazers wrote:

Roime wrote:

Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?

Just an idea.

Bad idea.

Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec.
Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP.
Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP.

As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time:
Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time.
Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake.

No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.

Do the mission in a PvP fit ship? You can run any mission in a passive tanked drake that's also usefull for pvp.

Or just refuse the mission. You hate giving people free stuff but you're asking for free stuff. If you want the higher LP that 0.6 systems offer, then you need to accept that some times you'll be sent to low-sec systems. It's part of the game and people have been living fine with it since L4 missions started to show up.

Just HTFU, really. The last thing you want is CCP turning its eyes to missioning. If anything, missions deserve a nerf, and not a buff. You can already make billions per week with little effort and a ship or two that cost under 1b total.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Calfis

Imperial Academy

Amarr Empire

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#45 - 2012-09-04 20:28:37 UTC

Funky Lazers wrote:

I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is.
Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance.
Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship.
Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly.

This balance leads you to do PvP with people.
Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff.

I guess I'll stick up to missions.

Your main must be some kind of pvp-god Roll

Renan Ruivo

Forcas armadas

Brave Collective

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#46 - 2012-09-04 21:06:28 UTC

Funky Lazers wrote:

EVE is not a 1 vs 1 game. It's a conflict simulator.

Just like any simulator, it aims to reflect that which happens in real life. And "fairness" is not a characteristic of real life. If someone challenges you to a honor duel and follows through with all the rules, then i'll acuse you of living in a 18th century movie.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Funky Lazers

Funk Freakers

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#47 - 2012-09-04 22:39:23 UTC

Calfis wrote:

Funky Lazers wrote:

Your main must be some kind of pvp-god Roll

Ya, I ram people with my pod, to death.
Shooting them is way too easy.

Whatever.

Roime

Mea Culpa.

Shadow Cartel

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#48 - 2012-09-05 06:20:56 UTC

Daniel Plain wrote:

If you can solo level 4s proficiently, you have character skills to do pretty much anything. And as soon as you realize that this is actually an MMO, where teamwork really pays off, you can do literally anything. If you are referring to some special limits, could you please specify?

Oh I do love blowing things up more than anything, but only things that are piloted by real humans who also want to blow me up. Killing NPCs does not compare with this at all, it's a monotonous, bot-like chore. I want to avoid monotonous, boring bot-like chores on my free time. Exposure to PVP makes repetitive PVE endurable, and especially doing it together with your space buddies.

Trading is interesting because of the marketing aspect. Anticipating demand, preparing for patch time changes, controlling markets etc. Fun is in planning and setting up your trade system, fun is in successful deals and making piles of ISK while at work and sleeping. I don't think anybody loves .01-ISKing or trades because that part is fun, but I can understand the spreadsheet side is rewarding to people who like numbers.

Shaco LaRusko

Veritas Theory

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#49 - 2012-09-05 14:21:36 UTC

Funky Lazers wrote:

It bothers me a lot.
I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions.
So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system?
I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship.

So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent.
Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try.
Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time?
Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char.

Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones?

There are agents you can pick that will never send you to low sec. In general they wont send you more than 6 jumps and they will never send you to another region. I used to mission 1 jump from null sec and never got sent there because its another region

Bugsy VanHalen

Society of lost Souls

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#50 - 2012-09-06 14:54:41 UTC

I really don't get what all the hassle is.

if you don't want to get storyline missions that take you into low sec, then run missions near a storyline line agent that is 5-6 jumps from low sec, or even deep inside high sec. There are a few systems with 0.5-0.6 sec status that are not low sec borders.

Personally I run lvl 4 missions in a system 2 jumps from low sec with a storyline agent in a system adjacent to low sec. Almost every storyline I get sends me into low sec. I always accept the mission, and have only failed 1 mission from getting caught by a gate camp. Low sec is easy to get in and out of safely if you are smart and know what ship to use and how to fit it. I find I get a better faction boost from these missions into low than I used to get sticking to high sec.

Daniel Plain

Doomheim

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#51 - 2012-09-06 16:07:17 UTC | Edited by: Daniel Plain

Roime wrote:

just because eve is an mmo does not mean that you have to play WITH other players. folks like me are quite content to play AGAINST people or just playing alone together. other people might be restricted in other ways (like play time). in fact, i would argue that for the vast majority of the eve population, lvl4s in hisec are the overall beast means of income (assuming they have the SP and ship to fly them).

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Oh I do love blowing things up more than anything, but only things that are piloted by real humans who also want to blow me up. Killing NPCs does not compare with this at all, it's a monotonous, bot-like chore. I want to avoid monotonous, boring bot-like chores on my free time. Exposure to PVP makes repetitive PVE endurable, and especially doing it together with your space buddies.

whether or not you enjoy blowing up other players is your business. just be aware that some people don't and therefore, lowsec, 0.0 and wspace are not appealing to them. if a player does not wish to wander out to 0.0, any ISK making opportunities there are not an option. i could probably make more RL money by becoming a male prostitute but i still prefer not to. am i hurting my $ per hour?

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Trading is interesting because of the marketing aspect. Anticipating demand, preparing for patch time changes, controlling markets etc. Fun is in planning and setting up your trade system, fun is in successful deals and making piles of ISK while at work and sleeping. I don't think anybody loves .01-ISKing or trades because that part is fun, but I can understand the spreadsheet side is rewarding to people who like numbers.

again, be my guest but don't assume that other people are willing or able to endure what you think is fun.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Jenn aSide

Worthless Carebears

The Initiative.

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#52 - 2012-09-06 16:44:43 UTC

I fly my machariel into low sec all the time, scouted by a friend (wow, who could have FRIENDS in an mmo? preposterous) or on alt in a shuttle. I watch local and if I see combat probes I warp to a station, warp to a safe and cloak or if the system is next door to high sec, warp to that gate and jump. no bubbles in low sec means NO ONE can stop me without pointing me.

Or I decline the mission if the area is too hot or camped, or come back to it later. OR i don't mission near low sec to begin with, i just moved to an agent in an 0.6 system closer to a storyline agent that never send me to low sec because there is none close.

Other than the MWD and cloak, i don't "pvp fit" my mach, no bubbles means no one catches me unless I fall asleep at the keyboard or something (which I did once, woke up and my mach was still alive lol, I got lucky).

And yet the OP seems to be advocating developer action to solve a "problem" that is so easily avoidable it's silly. That's just crazy.

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