Science & Industry

I Think YOU don't realize that CCP some time ago noticed this aswell and moved a lot of the minerals to "extra material" on those BP's. Extramaterial is NOT returned when reprocessed. So all you get back from those are those in "Raw Materials" for perfect ME.

In this example for Trit:
11.000 in raw materials and 1.403.572 in extra material.
When you reprocess the Bomb you get 11.000 Trit back and loose the 1.403.572 Trit from extra materials - these trit is never seen again!

shhhhh, let them do dumb things

Null sec is more dangerous than High sec, however the idea that living far away in the middle of nowhere guarantees safety is horse crap.

The best mining is done on the front, under the supervision of 200+ Alliance members, because when theirs any kind of camp fleet there's always a assload of jumpy PvP pilots to handle it.

I'd think the reason for this is more to do with botters being banned than anything to do with drone regions.

I remember seeing heaps of empire botters for the past several years, trit being in huge demand for all those supers during the great super building phase of a year ago.

They likely chased all the empire miners out of the industry - due to price - and now there are few left to fill the gap, add in more delicious 0.0 mining prospects bringing what miners are left in the game to 0.0 and not empire, and you have needs not being met for low-ends.

I dare say righting the market might even take months or years to fix.

CCP hasn't been terribly smart in their additions to the game in the past, now everyone is paying for it.

Add to this the failures of the current CSM to "make mining better" and you have a malfunctioning economy that noone really cares about.

To me this seems like introducing the McCormick reaper in the Dust Bowl.
We start off having lost a significant source of ore and minerals driving the cost up.
Then you introduce vastly superior methods of collecting the ore resulting in a surge of the goods.
this is what you are seeing, market turmoil.
Exasperating the issue is the perceived and rightful danger nullsec brings.
Many miners are not interested in needing to protect themselves and would rather be left alone.
At the same time the map blotches do not do much to encourage these miners to join them.
Thus you have a massive workforce in hisec, with little interest in going to low.

Are you perhaps meaning 11th best?

Other than what ccp decids minerals are used for. They broke mineral balance forever when they introduced cap ships.

The way I see it, many people know scordite is a top value but won't understand veld also is. Something to do with it being the most basic ore or something. People would mine Pyro instead of vend even when veld was worth more.

About a week ago, I read in a wiki that the initial mineral prices followed a x4 cost progression. Tritanium was meant to be 2 ISK p/u, Pyerite 8 ISK p/u, Mexallon 32 ISK p/u, Isogen 128 ISK p/u, Nocxium 512 ISK p/u, and so forth.

Based on those values, it should be possible to calculate the ore-values-per-m3 as CCP intended them to be, and use that as a powerful objective argument for how skewed the game has become, relative to CCP's original vision.

I have a spreadsheet set up to calculate the value for most of the low-end ores.

Yes.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying things were good 3-4 years ago and CCP should bring those times back. Maybe that's what the OP was saying. What I'm saying is that EVE's ore/mineral economy is ****ed, and it has been ****ed for a long time. That which emerges differs starkly from the kind fo shape that CCP wished to have emerge.

They didn't have a specific thing in mind, that they wanted to emerge, but they did blatantly obviously want a kind of general trend, a pattern'ish thing, to emerge, about Veldspar being worth markedly less than Hedbergite or Omber. That has failed to emerge. It has failed loudly.

Here's my suggestion:

1. Drop the two more valuable ore subtypes, the 105% and 110% ones. Phase them our slowly. Then introduce a new rarer 25% subtype with a different name. Having to learn 2 specific subtypes per ore type is hard. It's much easier to just discern between ore that is named and ore that is not named - then you know which roids to suck on first.

2. Define some mineral types as needing more demand, others as needing less demand. Tritanium is a good candiate for "less demand". State out loud that every 2 months for the foreseeable future, all mineral requirements for all existing and future BPO and BPC will be adjusted upwards or downwards by 5% or 10% or even 15%. The stated trend for Tritanium might be downwards 10%, for instance, and upwards 15% for Nocxium. Each trend to go on indefinitely until CCP gives notice about each trend zeroing.

That's a one time thing, that I want CCP to do once, in order to achieve ore type balance, so that high-sec ores become worth notably less than low-sec and no-sec ores. Once a very rough balance is achived (as opposed to the extreme absence of balance that we have now), probably after a year or two, CCP can stop and will never need to do this again.

I want this as an admission from CCP that that which emeges is not of good quality, and that they realize they need to fix things in order to achieve emergent gameplay that makes logical sense, i.e. low ISK/hour for low-risk kinds of spaces, and high ISK/hour for high-risk kinds of spaces.