Warfare & Tactics

So I'm starting to dabble in PvP and I've chosen the Amarr to work with for now. I chose them mostly because I tend to learn things by doing them and from looking at the good t1 frigates, the punisher seemed like the best fit. You can fit it for enough tank that it's surprisingly formidable, and that fits my learning style perfectly. I need to be able to see things happen the first few times in order to realize what I'm doing wrong.

So far, I'm happy with my choice. I did some duels with a corpmate just to hull and I noticed a few things about both my fit and my tactics that I'd like to improve. However, it also led me to a question that I honestly didn't know the answer to, and I couldn't seem to figure out a good way to deal with it.

My opponent was running scram/web/ab, but because of the nature of the duel he wasn't running the scram for obvious reasons. I had an AB and a scram fit because this was my default fit I was going to use against other people out in low sec. Now I know the Punisher is not an overly fast ship, but once I was webbed there was no way to try and keep my transversal velocity high enough to help mitigate the damage for my tank.

So my questions are as follows: How do you maximize transversal in any ship while you're webbed? Is it merely the simple fact that you have to have a MWD and hope they don't scram you? Or is there a certain tactic to use on an opponent that has a web when you don't? If there is no specific tactic should I just drop the scram and pick up a web with a MWD?

Theoretically, getting in close would maximise your transversal while webbed. Against small guns though, this would not push your transversal high enough.

What ship was your opponent in?

You're in a laser frig. Lasers have the worst tracking of all short-range weapon systems. So unless you're fighting a laser cruiser, or something with battleship guns, forget about trying to get under anyone's guns -- you'll only succeed in getting them under your guns. With lasers against ACs and blasters what you'd really like to do is to stay outside of Conflag/Multi/Gamma range (the only crystals that out-damage Scorch) and use Scorch -- but since you can't control range in a Punisher, expect to have to use Multi anyway. You'll do less damage with Multi than the enemy will be doing with ACs or blasters, but maybe your tank will last longer - or maybe you'll neut off the enemy's tackle and be able to pull range.

Fitting an MWD will explode your sig radius and negate any advantages you get from high angular velocity. MWDs are useful on frigs, even on Punishers, but they're not useful for 'speed tanking'. Fitting a web instead of a scram will allow your enemy to just warp away if you're doing well.

So if you're flying solo and not fighting a lot of laser boats, the Executioner or Tormentor are better options. You need to keep AC and blaster boats from sitting right on your face where they do enormous damage while dodging most of your damage, and you just can't do that with a Punisher.

Try this:



The locus rig can be anything else. The mids can be adjusted for cost or skills. But you should be able to fit the guns and the lows as they are. Orbit cautiously at 8000+km while you learn. People will get away from you; learn to manually fly/overheat point/orbit closer as needed. Be very careful about diving non-laser enemies to 'finish them off' or whatever: damage that's easily tanked at 8km can kill you in seconds at lower ranges. Most of the time you won't be running the nos, and won't want to be in range to run it. Train capacitor skills.




*sigh*, nevermind then. Just be careful that you don't get in situations where your blasters do zero damage the entire fight: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17290861

I love flying the punisher!

I fit mine with mwd and scram. Dual pulse 2's and nos.

I also have a plate and repper and 2 x metastasis 1 x collision rigs.

Basic tactic is mwd into point blank combat range asap and unload into them with Navy MF. with the tracking rigs they won't get under your guns and if they try to pull range you switch to scorch and keep piling on the damage.

The punisher is a brick but it can take a pounding so i fit to minimise it's one major weekness, tracking. This way I will be hitting for pretty much max damage anywhwere within scram range. And hope my tanks holds - which it is very good at

If you have good fitting skills you can also get a decent kite fit with mwd/disruptor and have an optimal of about 15km. This is more tricky with the punisher but doable....but if you want kite then I'd go tormentor/executioner personally.

I've not had anyone 'get under my guns' with my DLP/metastasis fit.

I do have a few neut fits as well that I use on occasion.

1. Against an opponent of the same size you don't want transversal with the punisher at all. It has terrible tracking and you're best of trying to have as little of it as possible

2. You figured out the reason why the punisher is bad right away. It only has two mids, thus has no range control which is really really bad.

3. Get a tormentor, its boss.

Flight Of Dragons

Read this if you are interested in the punisher. Read it if you aren't going to fly the punisher but still want to learn solo frig pvp.

Meh.

With the new damage bonus I get the same tracking and better dps with DLP's as I would with 200mm AC's with way better damage projection and range selection.

With the punisher you litterally have no way of dictating range if your opponent has a web. If they don't then at best you are on an even footing as the punisher is still slow.

With this in mind you need to ensure that you can hit easily anywhere in engagement range and lasers are the perfect weapon for this....instant swap out of crystals for different ranges give you the abiltiy to tailor your optimal to how the enemy wants to fight.
- they get in close - Navy MF
- they kite at edge of scram range - scorch or navy Radio is tracking becomes an issue (never had this happen yet)

There is still a massive mis-perception that a 2 mid slot frigate is bad.....not the case you just have to alter your tactics to take it into account.

The punisher was always a solid frigate with AC's or lasers. Now it is even better after the rejig.

If you like playing ewar and drones games, do not understimate a Sentinel. I got spanked a few times by one, and have learned to love that little ship. It is the polar opposite of the Punisher, being all finesse as opposed to the Punisher's brute strength.

Fun to fly both. ;)

The punisher is the best tech 1 frigate in the game if you fly and fit it correctly.



if you are using lasers you can eat gallente as you stay outside the other frigs orbit. If you orbit at 8k you they cannot damage you.

the trick is to learn to fly your ship manually while in Orbit.



Uber set up

Ive seen a lot of frigate contests and the ones that come out on top ever time are the active fit Autocannon Punishers.

the damage is mininal as they have no bonuses to damage but the tank is incredible and you have tons of cap so you can semi permantently run a repper. its


If you ever get into a slicer they are superb ships. You can kite almost any other frigate in the game. using scorch you have a range out to 20k and with a MWD nothing can get near you including dramiels and any other flavour of the month ships

Enjoy yourself