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Suggestion: Purchase skill points with PLEX
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Benjamin Dixon
The Big Schism
#1 - 2012-09-04 14:52:33 UTC
Success in Eve depends on skill points, not player skills.
Unfortunately, the only way to get skill points is to spend real time training.

This is silly.

CCP should add the ability to purchase skill points using PLEX.

Benefits to CCP: Increased real world money sales of PLEX.
Benefits to Player: Faster way to get characters that are interesting.

Implementation of a feature like this would go a long way in leveling the playing field for new characters.

Implementing this feature will allow more players to "step up" to pvp.

Implementing this feature would allow carebears to advance to a productive level in a reasonable amount of time.

There seems to be little downside.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-09-04 15:06:53 UTC
Please learn to search before posting bad ideas.

This same idea has been posted MANY MANY MANY times, it's still a bad idea. Please search for it to see dozens of threads detailing why it's such a bad idea.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2012-09-04 15:10:20 UTC
No.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#4 - 2012-09-04 15:20:45 UTC
Just the sort of crap idea I have come to expect from people who havent even played the game yet.

11 day old character (who has already been in 3 different corps)

Seriously, this part of the forum needs at least a 6 month character age before being able to post.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Lili Lu
#5 - 2012-09-04 15:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
You are what now, 2 or 3 weeks into a game, and you post a thread to radically alter the way it is structured simply because it does not mirror your other "f2p" p2w games? The first response post tells you all you need to know.

In short, no, stfu, gtfo, or to be nice, grow a little more into a wonderful game and learn to appreciate it's unique strengths and how it should not be bastardized into another throwaway clone of other games.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-04 15:30:19 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277
this is where you buy skill points with plex
other than that get over the fact training is slow, or buy implants and train a little faster OR go back to WOW

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-04 15:45:28 UTC
Real Money -> PLEX -> ISK -> Character Bazaar -> Buy premade skilled character (usually one made for the explicit purpose of being sold) -> fulfil your goal faster = YES THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE!

ISK || Real Money -> PLEX -> Skill your character -> fulfil your goal faster = THIS IS NOT FINE! (for some reason)

I'm training Amarr Battleship V, I don't have to log in for a month but I do have to pay the subscription because it's not like the old days where skills would carry on training on an un-subbed account, so I am effectively paying for skillpoints already.

Players can buy perfect Tengu characters, perfect industrial characters, and supercapital pilots (yeah, strategic assets) with isk that can be sourced from real money, I really don't see why paying directly for skillpoints is such a big deal.
Lili Lu
#8 - 2012-09-04 15:50:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Jafit wrote:
Real Money -> PLEX -> ISK -> Character Bazaar -> Buy premade skilled character (usually one made for the explicit purpose of being sold) -> fulfil your goal faster = YES THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE!

ISK || Real Money -> PLEX -> Skill your character -> fulfil your goal faster = THIS IS NOT FINE! (for some reason)

I'm training Amarr Battleship V, I don't have to log in for a month but I do have to pay the subscription because it's not like the old days where skills would carry on training on an un-subbed account, so I am effectively paying for skillpoints already.

Players can buy perfect Tengu characters, perfect industrial characters, and supercapital pilots (yeah, strategic assets) with isk that can be sourced from real money, I really don't see why paying directly for skillpoints is such a big deal.

Roll You don't have 2 week old noob status as a defense.

You need to go and read all those other threads about how it is a bad idea, and the two things you listed are not the same thing. At some point someone will post a longer response with all the good reasons why it is a bad idea and the two are not the same. I am not that person. I am restraining my impulse to resort to name calling.SadP
Vi'ach
#9 - 2012-09-04 15:58:26 UTC
Please no! no! and no!
Benjamin Dixon
The Big Schism
#10 - 2012-09-04 16:00:43 UTC
The high negative response from older chars appears to validate the quality of this suggestion.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2012-09-04 16:02:51 UTC
Benjamin Dixon wrote:
The high negative response from older chars appears to validate the quality of this suggestion.


Actually, older chars stand to gain more from this, but we're still against it for good reason.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-04 16:03:39 UTC
erm hell no that would breake the game forever.
Lili Lu
#13 - 2012-09-04 16:11:58 UTC
Benjamin Dixon wrote:
The high negative response from older chars appears to validate the quality of this suggestion.


What I am about to say may come accross to you as mean or elitist or whatever, but it is really meant as valuable advice in a spirt of kindness.

STOP POSTING

Learn some more about his game. It is not like your other games. Recognize your inablity at this time to understand how it works. If in a few months you still hold this opinion post again. It will get shot down again. But your op will have to have more reasoned argument.

Look at it this way. You do not walk into a new job and start telling everyone they are doing it wrong in your first two weeks now do you. Because that is either a good way to kill your own prospects, or lose the job. In two weeks you rarely have a good understanding of the job and the culture of those that work with you.
Vi'ach
#14 - 2012-09-04 16:23:46 UTC
Benjamin Dixon wrote:
The high negative response from older chars appears to validate the quality of this suggestion.


That's not the case at all, you need to have it in your mind that your going to play EvE for 5+ years before you even open a trial account and download the client.
Marcus Ichiro
IchiCorp
#15 - 2012-09-04 17:02:38 UTC
Benjamin Dixon wrote:
Success in Eve depends on skill points, not player skills.


Even if that was true your suggestion would only change it so that success depends on ISK, not player skills.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#16 - 2012-09-04 17:48:35 UTC

The ability to buy sp would dramatically alter EvE.....

And something to note.... $$ == Plex == game time, but sp == time. There is a big difference between the two. The character bazaar allows you to buy a character for isk/plex, but that is only if another player has already spent the time and risked how they invested their sp....

Realize:
Plex for sp will destroy the character bazaar....
Plex for sp will enhance FOTM game problems...
Plex for sp will discourage player specialization...
Plex for sp will discourage planning ahead...
Plex for sp will diiminish the consequences for your choices..

Also, sp's only matter to a point.... They increase the variety of ships you can fly, they help you increase the effectiveness of a ship, but how you fly and fit your ship are much more important as your sp totals... Sure, there is a sp barrier to entry (some fits require AWU V, larger ships (BS or Capital) take longer to unlock, but so what.... A 2 week old frigate pilot can still beat a veteran frigate pilot.... and a 2 week old frigate pilot can still play a needed role in most PvP....
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-09-04 17:56:27 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Jafit wrote:
Real Money -> PLEX -> ISK -> Character Bazaar -> Buy premade skilled character (usually one made for the explicit purpose of being sold) -> fulfil your goal faster = YES THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE!

ISK || Real Money -> PLEX -> Skill your character -> fulfil your goal faster = THIS IS NOT FINE! (for some reason)

I'm training Amarr Battleship V, I don't have to log in for a month but I do have to pay the subscription because it's not like the old days where skills would carry on training on an un-subbed account, so I am effectively paying for skillpoints already.

Players can buy perfect Tengu characters, perfect industrial characters, and supercapital pilots (yeah, strategic assets) with isk that can be sourced from real money, I really don't see why paying directly for skillpoints is such a big deal.

Roll You don't have 2 week old noob status as a defense.

You need to go and read all those other threads about how it is a bad idea, and the two things you listed are not the same thing. At some point someone will post a longer response with all the good reasons why it is a bad idea and the two are not the same. I am not that person. I am restraining my impulse to resort to name calling.SadP


think ill homour you.

2 week old char comes in this guy has a 250 grand a year job he can get 10 mill sp per plex hey buys 5 plex hes instantly got more skills than people that have been playing for 3 years. i think this alone is a big prob you should not and quite frankly i think most others share this view ever be allowed to pay-to-win. the last time the eve community got a wiff about this we shut it down after only a week with a 10k strong protest in jita not to mention over half the comminuty signing a pettition that it would not happen or ccp would lose our subs.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#18 - 2012-09-04 18:43:59 UTC
I started this game 8 years ago. I should have a SP advantage.

You can't grind SP like you can EP in other games, many of which are no longer around. There also is no "level 99 cap" to limit your character, creating a ceiling to level out older players with new ones. The game is designed to give me an advantage over you.

The good news is that you level up your character even when you are logged off.

As new players come, you will have an advantage over them. The average character age is around 2-3 years old. If that number stays the same, you will have an advantage over the average player in 3-4 years. In the mean time, specialize. You can turn a general advantage into a huge advantage by specializing in one race and one weapon type.

That's how they system works. That's also how you can use it to your advantage.


That said, I have empathy for you. I help new players out. In the beginning, there is so much that you can't do. It is frustrating, but it changes over time. Before you know it, you will be in T2 ships and battleships, flying almost as well as or better than current pilots.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2012-09-04 20:24:37 UTC
So much fail in this thread.

OP... not then, not now, not ever.

How did you Veterans start?
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-09-04 21:01:09 UTC
No²

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