Jita Park Speakers Corner

Right now an ore chart I like, that is linked to jita and other markets:

http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore.

Also has the last day updated too.

So with spodumain's economic model and has it is set up and designed, I would wager a guess of nothing. There in no model or design. Its the worse ore on the chart. I would say, hi sec is mostly the main model and design around ore right now.

They are gonna have to have fully fitted ships mined out low sec roids, to compete with hi sec ones.

Well Rev, probably sad to most players to hear this but.......

I am a miner, and I did buy a monocle. Perhaps ya saw the recent mining buff. Don't want to say it was all on the monocle, but come on it costs like 70 dollars or some ****. Of course it was the monocle.

People have been hung for less.

You can take my skill at playing EVE away, but you can never take my MONOCLE AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The CSM can't promise to get anything changed, they can only promise to ask CCP to get it changed. I really have no desire to go back to their election posts and/or blogs to see if they promised to get spod fixed. If they did, then go ahead and keep holding their feet to the fire about it, but if they merely stated that they'll push for it to be changed with CCP, then you need to let it go. He's already said he's brought it up with CCP, so either you think he's a liar, or well, since you keep going on about it, you think he's a liar.
Stomping your feet screaming "BUT THEY PROMISED!" isn't going to get CCP to change it any faster.

Of course we can ask them to do things. What we can't do is promise you exactly what time they'll be completed, and by now you should know that no CSM member can actually make promises with 100% certainty that it'll get done at all, since CCP makes the final decisions.

You're trying to crucify Seleene for not having achieved a goal that he still has 6 months to achieve. I think most rational people see this as unreasonable, especially since its been stated dozens of times publicly by CCP that the winter expansion is focused on War, as was Inferno, and that Harvest and industry are the next theme to be explored in subsequent expansions. Even if Seleene were to "make happen" all the stuff you expect him to, it might fall in summer expansion.

You're also failing to recognize that much of our communication right now is under NDA, that once CCP has decided to release their winter planning in full we can have a more open conversation about what is and isn't going to be in there and why, and that in the mean time you personally have no way to verify that Seleene ISN'T doing everything you've asked him to behind the scenes while you publicly lambaste him.

I've already explained the fact that CSM6 got CCP's commitment (in terms of casual verbal agreement) to take input at an earlier process. Its not until now, under CSM7, that we've actually developed a concrete plan, approved by Jon Lander, to integrate us as full stakeholders, a plan which is now under its trial phase and if successful will be a model for future projects. Until than, you have expectations of an authority which we don't have. We can talk all we want about what should be in an expansion (and we do, every day, on our internal communications channels) but that doesnt mean that the executives at CCP are obligated to listen to us. That may or may not change depending on how the stakeholder pilot program goes this fall.

Is there room in amongst all this to make suggestions about interim fixes for things that may not be slated till summer expansion? Sure! Will CCP listen and oblige us? Maybe, maybe not, depends on whether your idea of a quick fix is the same as theirs, and what resources human or otherwise it takes to accomplish that change, and it depends on whether CCP even agrees that your idea for a fix is good for the game at large.

The first step though is realizing that the CSM isn't your enemy, and stop treating them as such. Educate yourself as to what is reasonable to expect, in what time frame, and show some patience and respect. You'll find it goes much further than knee-jerk rage because what you wanted isn't here, right now, in exactly the form you want it.

Malcanis put up a suggestion earlier regarding the spodumain issue.

I will totally back that suggestion even thought it was different from my own.

So now, happily you have a suggestion by someone else who realises that this might actually be an issue for a few people - who isn't mine - and perhaps get on your CSM batphone and ask for a change instead of -
debating whether there was a change asked for, or -
debating whether you can make the change happen, or -
debating whether the change should be made, or -
debating whether you're responsible for asking for it, or -
debating about whether there should be vodka or scotch in your room on your next iceland visit -
the important factors that are being debated day to day.

"Let us debate, not do."

This is a 4 year old issue to be honest, I really think barges are great and all, but ... not noteworthy in the scheme of things.

Changing the barges is not at all moving the terrible bottlenecks the mining industry is ACTUALLY working under.

So, let's recap shall we?

This is now no longer "my" idea.
This is no longer only "me" who thinks this might be an issue as others have recognised - even those who originally didn't even know what I was talking about - that the spodumain might be a bit big.
Some of the people now adding to the conversation regarding this are actually usually diametrically opposed, and yet even they can see an issue here that has not been sufficiently addressed.
And given that spodumain is the worst ore in the game, mining corps who are renters are basically being nerfed by CCP for no good reason.
As mining was a major platform so many CSM's stood on to get where they are...perhaps they'd like to TRY and fix it.

Or we can debate it some more, which is fine. After all, I have my words.

How is the release planning going?

Sorry bad question. NDA slapped

Thanks

In the spirit of getting back to AMA questions.


Do you still see visualize Eve code when you are thinking thru issues players raise or has it mostly faded away.

Might want to tweet about this forum thread again alot of people probable gave up on it. Cross posting your best answers from the actual AMA might be a good idea.

My Dev Posts search is giving me errors again