Assembly Hall

It's past time to improve the general PVE content in this game. It's past time to bring wormhole/incursion AI to all NPC rats.

1) No, this does not mean that NPC rats need to be as hard as sansha or sleepers.

2) NPC rats do not need to be buffed in terms of there dps and HP, but buffed a LOT in terms of thier AI i.e. all NPC frigs now scram and web, NPC crusiers use AI to remote rep, focus fire etc.

3) CCP does not have to introduce new loot for these changes but can increase unit bounties by a % say 100% increase in bounties to justify the harder experiance that would require at least two pleople working together or dual boxing to complete missions.

4) This will make the game harder for noobs, but not that much harder. Noobs will benefit more from running level 1 and 2 missions with a friend and that's why it's important that the bounties should be at least doubled to reflect the number of people needed to run the improved missions, belts, exploration sites.

5) These changes will easily improve eve existing old, basic and boring general mission and belt ratting pve content.

6) These changes are LONG overdue.

7) These changes are not hard to make.

8) Noobs will whine a bit but this change provides a small stick to increase thier social interaction, which is EVE's BEST PART.

9) please make this change soon.

I agree, it would make soling missions much harder (you would need to dual box) and soloing blet ratting a bit harder.

However; can you honestly say that you enjoy playing with EVE's current dumb NPC AI? Do you realy like running one mindless mission after another? So many other games have much more fun PVE content because the NPCs you are up against use good AI. Can't we encourage CCP to provide us with more entertaining NPCs?

I agree that the change would need to be balanced so that the incrase in dificulty does not put off new players. Perhaps drone sigs and HP ccould be buffed a bit? NPC time shooting at player drones could be less than for sleeper/sansha AI etc. Perhaps CCP could scale the changes to be less in levels 1 and 2, and 3, but more in levels 4 and up? It's just that I find the level of quality of the general PVE offered in EVE's belt, mission and to a lesser extent in exploration sites to be very sub par when compared to other games out now. It would be ok for a FP2 game but I don't think the quality is high enough for a monthly subscription game.

Part of what I'm also hoping for is for CCP to change empire PVE and made it posible for small fleet of manual flying (read "real player") empire pilots (say at least 2 in fleet) to be able to out earn a BOT ship.

It be great if you could have fun and earn more isk playing harder, more complex and more chalenging contentent in empire over a 2 hour stretch than can be earnt by a typical 0.0 bot that runns 10 hours at a time.

A couple of thoughts:

1.) The last thing CCP should do at this point in time is INCREASE hi-sec bounties. Null-sec anomalies were nerfed because the raw isk flowing into the game was unhealthy.... what do you think doubling the bounties on all rats will do??

2.) An improved AI on missions would be nice... but nerfing ALL missions so you can feel like your facing a harder opponent is most definitely not something the majority of EvE players want. I would think asking for an alternative set of missions with sleeper AI NPCs is more appropriate. How you will balance this, in terms of risk vs reward, system security, LP's, and loot is a non-trivial problem... but you can leave that to CCP. Perhaps these missions will be provided by CONCORD agents, with the reward balanced via LP's.... I don't care....

3.) Nullsec Rats need to scram more...

I agree. I find much of EVE's current PVE is too repetitive, not fun, boring and far too easily exploitable by BOTing. BOTing in 0.0 side systems already allows some of the game's major alliances to finance tens to hundreds of super capitals a year. This is the most dangerous isk faucet in EVE (especialy when coupled to the existing moon goo/sov system). Many alliance and corp members will swear on their holy books that this is not the case, but recent exposes in gaming news has proven that it is the case. The anomaly nerf hit real, active players more than it hit BOT income.

I hope CCP is be able to increase player's fun-in-space while flying-in-space by making player isk generating activities more fun, harder, more complex, more unpredictable, and more challenging.

I would be perfectly happy if CCP removed all Plex, removed the ability to use $ to buy isk, and make the game’s pve content too unpredictable and too hard to BOT.

Is it technically impossible to make EVE’s pve content fun to play while also making it naturally un-bot-able?

Another "it won't effect everybody in EvE so there is no point" response. You are proving to be a bit of a drag on these forums.

This seems to be another simple fix that should be easy for CCP to implement. I agree with it. Any upgrade to the AI of rats would improve the overall game.

After this, I don't think any more argument needs to be presented.

Any change that forces EVERYONE to dual box or form fleets to do one of the most basic activities in Eve shouldn't happen. It would drive a lot of players away from the game.

Fair points. I don't want to see anyone making more isk in 2 hours of highsec than during 10 hours of active (non boting) 0.0 pve'ing. What I'm hoping for is real players being able to more easily outcompete bots. This might be possible if CCP offers more isk from more fun and immersive PVE content than from the existing PVE content which is full of grind, is very bot friendly, and is mind numbingly boring.

Is there a way for CCP to change the existing PVE isk model and to make it more immersive and less easily exploitable from BOTs?

Sure thing, mate.

Yes to Sleeper's AI for all NPCs. At least a derived version of it. No way to Sleeper's specs for all NPCs, tho.

Our dumbass NPCs act like this:

1) looking for target....
2) found target?
3) attack target!

The end.

It's 100% predictable and therefore lame as ****.