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My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-09-04 11:02:09 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
How about fixing them and giving people a reason to go there.

there are plenty of reasons only problem are the large allaince blocs , they either complete paranoid about letting others in or just use the size of their sov to measure their Epeenwith and do nothing else with it



This is so right. Recieve my "like"
TharOkha
0asis Group
#22 - 2012-09-04 11:10:53 UTC
Its non about nerfing/buffing hisec. Those "hardcore playas" will always hate the way of life in hisec. Its something like dumb fat rednecks living in the middle of the desert are complaining how those shiny people in wall street make a big fortune every day.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-09-04 11:11:22 UTC
ISK shouldn't be the main reason for people wanting to move to low/null, they should want to go because there are worthwhile experiences associated with low/null.

However, at present people are able to earn a large amount of isk with very little effort and no real risk. This creates a massive deterrent to moving out of high sec.

I makes more scene to nerf the high sec economy than it does to buff low, null and wormhole space.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Josef Djugashvilis
#24 - 2012-09-04 11:16:33 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
ISK shouldn't be the main reason for people wanting to move to low/null, they should want to go because there are worthwhile experiences associated with low/null.

However, at present people are able to earn a large amount of isk with very little effort and no real risk. This creates a massive deterrent to moving out of high sec.

I makes more scene to nerf the high sec economy than it does to buff low, null and wormhole space.


The good folk in lo-sec and null often say it is the broken 'gameplay' that is the issue.

How would nerfing hi-sec fix the broken gameplay issues?

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-09-04 11:18:55 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
ISK shouldn't be the main reason for people wanting to move to low/null, they should want to go because there are worthwhile experiences associated with low/null.

However, at present people are able to earn a large amount of isk with very little effort and no real risk. This creates a massive deterrent to moving out of high sec.

I makes more scene to nerf the high sec economy than it does to buff low, null and wormhole space.



No, because you cant force ppl to go somewhere they don't want to go...

Some ppl like hi sec and while they accept the dangers there, they don't feel like being the main entertainment for bored pvp'ers and greifer alliances (you know who you are) in null and low sec.

Everyone needs to take a step back and respect that ppl are different and want different things from Eve.


Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-09-04 11:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

The good folk in lo-sec and null often say it is the broken 'gameplay' that is the issue.

How would nerfing hi-sec fix the broken gameplay issues?



Where did i suggests that nerfing high sec would automatically buff low sec gameplay?

I do think the gameplay in low sec needs to be improved and expanded on but first, i think high sec needs to be looked at.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-09-04 11:25:31 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

The good folk in lo-sec and null often say it is the broken 'gameplay' that is the issue.

How would nerfing hi-sec fix the broken gameplay issues?



Where did i suggests that nerfing high sec would automatically buff low sec gameplay?

I do think the gameplay in low sec needs to be improved and expanded on but first, i think high sec needs to be looked at.



Hi sec doesn't need to be looked at till low and null are "fixed", what is it low and null are broken so hi sec should be to ?




Tal






I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-09-04 11:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
ISK shouldn't be the main reason for people wanting to move to low/null, they should want to go because there are worthwhile experiences associated with low/null.

However, at present people are able to earn a large amount of isk with very little effort and no real risk. This creates a massive deterrent to moving out of high sec.

I makes more scene to nerf the high sec economy than it does to buff low, null and wormhole space.



No, because you cant force ppl to go somewhere they don't want to go...

Some ppl like hi sec and while they accept the dangers there, they don't feel like being the main entertainment for bored pvp'ers and greifer alliances (you know who you are) in null and low sec.

Everyone needs to take a step back and respect that ppl are different and want different things from Eve.


Tal




Who would be forcing you to move out of high sec?

For people like you there is current the no choice. You are even too scared to try life out of high sec or you easily earn enough isk that there is no need for you to look elsewhere.

I'm saying CCP should give you that choice. Either you move out of high, earn a boat load of isk and experience the full game or you stay in highsec and slog your guts out day after day in level 4's trying to get enough isk to get that PLEX every month.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-09-04 11:31:16 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
ISK shouldn't be the main reason for people wanting to move to low/null, they should want to go because there are worthwhile experiences associated with low/null.

However, at present people are able to earn a large amount of isk with very little effort and no real risk. This creates a massive deterrent to moving out of high sec.

I makes more scene to nerf the high sec economy than it does to buff low, null and wormhole space.



No, because you cant force ppl to go somewhere they don't want to go...

Some ppl like hi sec and while they accept the dangers there, they don't feel like being the main entertainment for bored pvp'ers and greifer alliances (you know who you are) in null and low sec.

Everyone needs to take a step back and respect that ppl are different and want different things from Eve.


Tal




Who would be forcing you to move out of high sec?

For people like you there is current the no choice. You are even too scared to try life out of high sec or you easily earn enough isk that there is no need for you to look elsewhere.

I'm saying CCP should give you that choice. Either you move out of high, earl a boat load of isk and experience the full game or you stay in highsec and slog your guts out day after day in level 4's trying to get enough isk to get that PLEX every month.


Tell you what troll, why dont you check my history before making lame ass comments that don't contribute to the discussion beyond making you look dumb.

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Ghazu
#30 - 2012-09-04 11:31:23 UTC
It's less about forcing you out to low null but more about introducing the price of safety.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-09-04 11:31:43 UTC
Rats wrote:


Hi sec doesn't need to be looked at till low and null are "fixed", what is it low and null are broken so hi sec should be to ?



I don't consider low sec or null sec to be broken, i consider high sec to be OP.

Please tell me what is "brocken" about low, null.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-09-04 11:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Rats wrote:

Tell you what troll, why dont you check my history before making lame ass comments that don't contribute to the discussion beyond making you look dumb.


I'm no troll, i just think you fail to see the big picture.

I'm more that willing to hear your counter to my arguments if you have a good argument to make.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-09-04 11:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Josef Djugashvilis
#34 - 2012-09-04 11:36:27 UTC
The iisue of moving out of hi-sec has very little to do with the fear of losing ships etc.

As I said earlier, the folk in null think that null gameplay is broken.

Fix it.

It does not help that many of the posters from null come to the forums to insult the folk in hi-sec.

Why would anyone want to join the very people who insult them?

If I was a null sec dweller, I like to think that if I was going to insult the players who mission etc in hi-sec, that I would at least have enough integrity not to have a hi-sec alt running missions and incursions.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-09-04 11:36:30 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:


Hi sec doesn't need to be looked at till low and null are "fixed", what is it low and null are broken so hi sec should be to ?



I don't consider low sec or null sec to be broken, i consider high sec to be OP.

Please tell me what is "brocken" about low, null.



Access, Sovereignty etc, Killboard stats being more important than actually playing the game, greifers.. need I go on ....


Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-09-04 11:38:25 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:

Tell you what troll, why dont you check my history before making lame ass comments that don't contribute to the discussion beyond making you look dumb.


I'm no troll, i just think you fail to see the big picture.

I'm more that willing to hear your counter to my arguments if you have a good argument to make.



So how do you know I have never left hi sec ?


Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-09-04 11:39:51 UTC
I too think that nerfing High Sec will not acomplish the intended Changes...
Noone asked for nerfing High - Sec but to give Low more reward so the risk to go there is worth to be taken.

Rare it is these days - that High Sec Dwellers visit 0.0 at all but for a little exitement during the weekend. Not being part of the residing entity means sudden death in the most cases. Moony admiration for the beauty of the anchored warp bubble this lil´ fellow just got caught in dissolves into sparkles and pod-goo once reality cathes up with him.

Low sec has so much more for them...no bubbles...a real chance to actually do your mission in case you scout properly and keep attended to the local and d-scan. If there just was something you could only do in low - sec (like visiting one of those pleasure hubs...everyone knows Alliances in with prudish NA majority in members would never allow them in 0.0) of find in low sec...like certain recources that are important for everyone.

I really do not see how "downgrading" High Sec would in any way "upgrade" Low Sec". If you have a pig and a donkey...and you shoot the pig...then the donkey is STILL a freaking donkey.

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-09-04 11:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:


Hi sec doesn't need to be looked at till low and null are "fixed", what is it low and null are broken so hi sec should be to ?



I don't consider low sec or null sec to be broken, i consider high sec to be OP.

Please tell me what is "brocken" about low, null.



Access, Sovereignty etc, Killboard stats being more important than actually playing the game, greifers.. need I go on ....


Tal




yeah please do go on as i'm not sure how sov and kill board stats affect the little guy in highsec just trying to make some isk.

p.s and please stop signing off with "Tal" that **** is really annoying

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-09-04 11:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:


Hi sec doesn't need to be looked at till low and null are "fixed", what is it low and null are broken so hi sec should be to ?



I don't consider low sec or null sec to be broken, i consider high sec to be OP.

Please tell me what is "brocken" about low, null.



Access, Sovereignty etc, Killboard stats being more important than actually playing the game, greifers.. need I go on ....


Tal




yeah please do go on as i'm not sure how sov and kill board stats affect the little guy in highsec just trying to make some isk.



Your not all there are you ? . You asked me what was broken in low, I answered ....Roll and your the one that is attacking hi sec saying its OP. You keep flip flopping on your arguments mate .... you remind me of an ex...


You also didn't answer my question about how you know whether I have been to low /null sec ?


Tal (I dedicate this sig to Rek Seven)

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Glomondon
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-09-04 11:53:01 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Its non about nerfing/buffing hisec. Those "hardcore playas" will always hate the way of life in hisec. Its something like dumb fat rednecks living in the middle of the desert are complaining how those shiny people in wall street make a big fortune every day.

Epic Lolthat reminds me