EVE General Discussion

I see that fixing super capitals will have a good impact on the game balance, but this will only move the balance away from one ship type to another.
The real problem is in the game mechanic and i dont see a change there.

When will you change the gameplay in a way that blobbing is not the way fights will be won but tactic on the battlefield?

All these supcap changes will just switch players from ship type A (supcap) to the next best shipclass (carrier???) and the same procedure will repeat just under a new name.

You literally cannot stop people coming together in large numbers to defend themselves of their space.

The blobbing argument has been going on for basically years and what you want is for people in large fleets to be penalized entirely arbitrarily because they are not playing the game the way you want them too.

It's nice to see that I'm not the only one in the game who understands fundamental military strategy.

All blobbing assumptions are made assuming the quality of the twenty ships on one side is the same as the ten ships on the other side, in which case the ten always lose.

However, since 95.67% of EVE players suck (studies have shown this), this is rarely the case, and you can often engage 'le blob' successfully.

I agree with what the op is trying to say:

CCP please create objectives/mechanics that encourage the use of small gangs.

How does one counter the N + 1 > N quandary?

Fabian strategists would disagree. Sun Tzu would also disagree in certain situations.

Smaller better trained forces have over taken larger less prepaired enemies many times in history.


Slade

If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

Well, in the real world it's always been "countered" by nature - by the 2-d nature of ground/sea, by limits to what's possible wrt fuel, logistics, etc.

I guess WHs would be the EVE equivalent, with the gates only allowing a certain "mass" through.

The problem is there's no single drawback to bring more, but only advantages.

Of course once engaged, more of the same ship class should beat fewer, provided both the FCs and pilots suck equally.

However there should be an advantage to field smaller gangs, like better warp speed, faster align times etc... - not because it would be 'more realistic', but because it would add variety and tactical depth to the game.

Anyway - first of all people would circumvent it by dividing the blob in lots of smaller fleets with minimal drawbacks, such as split broadcasts, and secondly, 0.0 lacks any tactical or financial incentive that can be achieved by a small gang.

The flaw I think EvE's game mechanics has is that it seems impossible for large numbers of weak ships to beat a handful of powerful ones.

In theory, it is possible. It is conceivable in theory that 1000 frigates might take down a supercap. But in practice this will never happen because there IS actually a limit on blobbing. No more than a few hundred ships can congregate in a given system and therefore a fleet of say 10 000 frigs is totally out of the question.

However, independent of the technical challenges, having a 10 000+ frig fleet would make sense on a number of levels.

- It would make it possible to mobilize noob players for PvP much earlier in their learning curve.
- It would offer a counterbalance to the power that is now in the hands of the very few players who are in a position to fly the biggest ships (both financially and skill wise).
- It would make battles less predictable.
- It would reward large group leadership skills (as opposed to the small-scale tribal style of leadership that we only see now).
- It would bring more players in Nullsec
- It would bring to EvE the sort of "large conscript army beat small band of professionals" scenario that has often changed history in the real world ...