Jita Park Speakers Corner

You don't NEED to, but if you want something sent to you the minute we post it up on the web, that's kind of what Twitter is for. Real-time updates. I can't think of a podcast, interview, blog post, or pertinent forum thread that ISNT tweeted about by those participating at the time, so its actually quite useful if you don't want to miss what the CSM has been up to.

Not to mention, FUN. "#tweetfleet" as the EVE Online Twitter community is known, has some of the most entertaining commentary about the game out there, it really is kind of like this relaxed party when compared to the drama and finger-pointing that often infests the forums. A lot of good people there!

Most CCP developers have Twitter accounts, and use them, so this is also a good way to drop them a line as well that's faster than using email or a forum post, or follow along and hear what they've been up to.

Actually I have all of these on my EvE twitter account but frankly I really should not need to. Most people will not go looking for updates on what you are doing, if you want to be seen doing something don't make people look for what you are doing. You show us in these forums so people don't have to look.

If you just go "Oh its available on this 3rd party site" people will complain that you are not doing anything and the average forum user will know no different.

Edit: As to NEED yes, I like all players of this game should be able to come to these forums or more preferably a dedicated CSM website and see what is currently being discussed and what the CSM members view points are, it frankly feels sleazy that I would have to use a separate entity of twitter to be able to find out what the player representatives of this game are doing.
As I pointed out in the other thread I started on this forum "CSM Stupidity", its not that you guys are not working hard its that you need to be seen by the players who your actions effect to be working hard and in what direction.

It's not that, just this forum has been completely empty of CSM comments on issues for weeks and when we got one, it was a 1 line troll reply to a 1 line troll post derailing a conversation we were having.

Some of us have definitely gotten the feeling that the CSM has forgotten some of the issues along the way...

I guess it comes down to this for me - I have asked that industrial changes be made through a specific expansion, where a view of how the entire system should work would pervade.

Instead, CCP and/or CSM seems to disagree with that view, not giving us an industrial expansion, instead we get a change here, a change there - if we're lucky.

It is not just POS that are forgotten.

Some of the issues I lobbied for haven't been brought up at all, or have been under-communicated in the minutes - perhaps the minutes themselves are to blame in this.

These two for instance:
Corp contracts to allow miners to automatically sell to their corporation.
Spodzilla in grav sites.

Corp contracts seems to be being handled by the new treaty system - as Seleene and Two Step replied to my mails about this. However, it just seems that every change we want HAS TO be put into PVP terms or it's not even recognised. It even comes back to us in the minutes in terms of how this effects the PVP side of the game - "Treaty System" speaks volumes.

Spodzilla - no PVP here, and thus, not mentioned AT ALL.

This is the differentiation where a PVPer will go to do some sites. He will hit scan on his ship - every site will come up, and he'll happily go from site to site every 15-20 minutes earning his isk.
A miner tries similar.
He has to get his probe ship out, spend 20-30 minute probing the system every day - in a system without sov.
Then he can spend an hour or so getting the good ore out of the belt.
Then he has 3 days of mining spodumain.

I was told by even yourself, that this would be dealt with this CSM.

I don't see where this was brought up at all.

Even if you wanted to wait a year for the POS changes to go through, the 75% mining yield on POS mining refineries could be removed NOW.

You try and make a PVPer scan down each site individually before he goes to earn his 20m isk and watch the uproar.
Or tell every PVP corp that runs out of a POS that they will only get 75% of bounties.

Instead you guys want us to go to 0.0 and scan down each site and only get 75% of the 3 days of spodumain mining we have in front of us - when we don't want to take part in this bullshit we're called "risk averse".

Frankly, Wake the **** up.

I would direct your attention to this post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=841911#post841911

However, the buddy relationship CSM has with CCP seems to have derailed point #3 again.

It's nice to prove to the different departments in CCP that you're on their side, but what about our side?

I understand CCP's marketing motivations around their game. Any FPS game markets their graphics, not their gameplay unless some groundbreaking new challenge has been met - like battlefield 3's destructible buildings.

In EVE that marketing gets done through PVP, the big fleet fights or the interconnected weave of having 40,000 people on at once - but never industry.

This is why it needs to be PUSHED at them. It's not something they will EVER agree to if given the choice - because they are marketing driven. The big hub-bub at fanfest around the hiring of that new marketing guy shows this.

Keep in mind also, I truly believe it DOES have marketing capital for CCP. One thing always brought up in every sandbox game I've followed since UO is the subject of player housing - the POS are exactly that for EVE. It is almost always a deal breaker for people in sandboxes, and at present it's not very good. However, they could easily bring the marketing department into the fray on this issue once it's done.

This time around at least some things were looked at that would never have come up had Mittani still been in. However, it still falls short of promises made, and ability to make CCP move from their usual position.

Even though the process is not even begun I would like CCP to do things a little different than normal and realease the general direction they are going with it as they are going with it.

The POS redo is so wide spread that it effects everyone in every region of eve, especially as we are talking about personal POS as well as corporate and alliance.

Personally I feel a POS should be a POS no difference between the type for example a personal POS should be capable of doing everything an alliance POS does. With the basic rule of the bigger it is the more it costs.

SBU, cnyo jammers and guns should be separate or be able to be separately targeted on the POS.

As to the current outposts these should just be converted in POS at the time of the update, giving them the same functions that they currently have, leave NPC as it is but alter the rest.

They have begun the process but it's still mostly in the design stages. Once they get to a point where they feel comfortable with talking more, they will. They actually WILL because they know it's got the potential to be gangbusters awesome or a WTFBBQ mess. I'm not sure when they will start talking about it publicly but it probably won't be until closer to the winter expansion release and all THOSE dev blogs are mostly out.

A funny little idea how about a probe launcher module so you can scan a system without undocking. Maybe on a CQ TV

Yeah I gotta agree, I want POS to be harder to pull down, but 1 month is way too long.

I really think the whole system of arbitrary timers is a bad one.

I'd rather see heavily modified guns.

Instead of putting up a gun, put up a whole "gunnery array" which can then be configured with ECM/Points/Webs/Guns/Missile Launchers as the user wants.

Have the whole array fire at a particular target or - more preferably - have all the guns and missiles on the POS fire at a particular target, ECM still randomly choosing.

This would take out ships far better for POS which are unmanned at the time.

I'm not sure if there are any ramifications I haven't thought of here, but I'd like an automatic system of gunnery that's at least somewhat trying to take the opposition out properly instead of each gun firing randomly at something - which is kind of pointless.

POS should be eve online's player housing.