EVE General Discussion

Pirate factions in missions call in backup all the time, why not belt rats???

CCP you're losing control of your game

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Every NPC fight should be futile for the players...

Better yet, every NPC should just be replaced with Concorde.

it's not that he wants it to be impossible, he just wants them to actually pose a threat. like making the navy ships kind of like the incursion ships that camp gates.

Actually I like that idea. I recant my previous post.

As long as the pirates can fire on the navy with out being concorded.

Navy gate camps are strong enough to keep one or 2 pirates out of a system, but would allow pirate raiding parties to fight their way through. That could be fun! If we are going with this though, I think NPCs (non Concorde) should be able to pod as well.

…and that backup is the militia troopers cooped up in the station in question. With the navy supporting them, they should stand a much better chance. So really, the question is why aren't you supporting your faction's navy in their time of need?

I would like to see big Navy Fleets flying around low sec engaging pirates and enemy FW players. As well they would fight each other.

Including Carriers like the ones in Lvl 5 missions and sleeper target switching AI.

wait...the enemy militia is camping your high sec station? Why would that be some npc's job to fix? you're in the milita, they're in your system, go explode them, it should be a bit easier with the npc's providing support.

Take a lesson from the GTA series and have Navy escalate over time:

1 Star Wanted = You're just passing through 0.5 to 0.8, doesn't go up unless further provocation or 2 minutes have passed. Navy takes no action... yet.

2 Star Wanted = You enter a 0.9 or 1.0 system (incidentally, newbie tutorial systems all fall in this catagory) or spent more than 2 minutes in a 0.5 through 0.8 system. At this point Navy frigates will come in an start shooting if you stay in one place for more than a minute. Navy does not tackle you, though... yet. Drops back to 1 if you leave the system for one with a lower security rating.

3 Star Wanted = Still not getting the hint? One minute after the Navy frigates show up, destroyers and light cruisers come in and join in trying to pop the offending ship. If it warps away, drops back to 2 stars ... for now. If they stick around and are not dead after another minute it goes up to 4 stars.

4 Star Wanted = Firing at a Navy ship automatically triggers this level. Navy battlecruisers warp in and their frigates start trying to web and warp scramble the offender. 4 stars does not drop back to 3 stars or less until the offender leaves the system. Will not drop below 2 star minimum until they leave faction space entirely for 15 minutes.

5 Star Wanted = When someone survives 4 stars for over a minute without warping away or worse, actually destroys a Navy ship, then it's red alert time. Everything up to and including multiple battleships all dog-pile onto the offender, web, scramble, ECM, kitchen sink, you name it. Also at this point their wanted level will not drop below 4 stars until they leave faction space entirely for 15 minutes.


This way someone just passing through and not lingering would still be mostly safe from Navy, which is no different than now because they're already pretty much the keystone cops of space. But people actively trying to camp would find their stay becoming increasingly unwelcome over time.

Note that with this formula it would take 2 minutes for the first Navy frigates to arrive provided that the trespasser does nothing else but sit there, and a moving target who warps someplace every minute but does nothing else could theoretically stay around forever. But hop-scotching around the map is not the same as camping, which means that FW players could indeed directly engage each other in quick battles in each other's territory. All this mechanic would do is eliminate camping a system. Raiding a system would still be a valid strategy. Hit & Run would be the FW method of combat in Hisec, rather than just Camp & Lulz in front of stations all day.

Just wait till you have Negative SecStatus in Amarr Space, they ain't so useless then ;)