Warfare & Tactics

i think they will leave fw as it is after this change.

This plus you may as well let them contest it to 75% before even adding any lp then there is no loss and losses at that point can be recouped by defensive plexing.

There is also a proposed cap where no offensive plexing lp is given.

If you were a very dominant faction you could let it get to vulnerable and then there would never be much incentive to plex the system as the offensive plexes would get no reward.

You just have to prevent them bashing the hub. Risky but then as you are space rich at level 5 and can deploy caps and then cyno jam the system you just have to be vigilant.

Feels like big swings to defending.

After talking to ccp fozzie several people have found itbwould take 150 plexes on average to knock a system from lvl 5 to lvl 0. The new systems will allow losing sides or militias that dont work together to survive fl. I have other thoughts but i willnhold those for later.

Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM.

So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything.

Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote.

And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari.

If i want to fly logi blobs i go to 0.0. Who really wants those in FW?

sure some people use them, no doubt, but now there is more reason to use those especially when most of those counters are restricted from mediums.

also with new frigate changed WE CAN HAVE RR IN ROOKIE PLEXES TOO !

Tinfoil hat business aside.

Your issue here is that you're too obsessed over who "wins." FW is designed as an eternal war system where anyone that wants PvP (and to make isk via PvP) can easily jump in. It's made to be an accessible and permanent feature of the game. "Victory" and "Defeat" for any given side is pretty meaningless, since FW is going to be a persistent feature for years to come.

If you're expecting some grand resolution to the conflict, some Tibus Heth or Jamyl Sarum deus ex machina to move the plotline along, then don't hold your breath. AURORA is dead. CCP no longer produces in-character news articles. All plotline movement is tied to development schedules, and frozen after the new feature has been implemented.

Now that Incursions are around as a game feature, the Sansha storyline is locked in place. Kuvekai is going to be ineffectually raiding in perpetuity. Expect similar treatment for FW.

Think of this as a children's game of cop's and robbers. People who die get right back up and jump back into the fray. The participants aren't playing to win or lose, but to point fingers at each other and go "pew pew." Winning the game is meaningless; playing the game is everything. This is MMORPG logic.

If you're having fun in FW, if you honestly enjoy PvP, making isk in combat, or whatever immersion you derive out of fighting for one of the four big factions, then all's good.

But if you're waiting for CCP to call a winner, you're going to be waiting for a long, long time.

I think Lockout may be bitter that
1. Some people don't play the game the same way as him, and
2. they don't derp their capitals into tarps at his command.

amirite?

Also, we derp with non l337 frigates. And for a corp half your size, we're killing half as much isk and losing half as much isk. Our pace is faster than yours which leads to more fun for the ADD guys in our corp (namely me!).

Logis need to be neuted or jammed. If logi chain gets set up inside plex it's game over with these new plex restrictions. Boredom ensues. If cloaky Falcon uncloaks when attacking force warps in, game over again.

My guess is that Hans convinced CCP that T1 frig-only plexes would be "awesome", and then CCP tried to figure out a way to make it happen. But as it is, there is plenty of space in CURRENT minor plexes for the new T1 frigs as they can, properly fit, engage dessies through pirate faction ships successfully.

IMO, Lockout may disagree, FW should favor faction ships. Let 0.0 favor T2 hulls. The proposed plex size restrictions clearly favor T2 ships and kill the advantages of the faction hulls.

Except that's not what Damar's saying at all. He's saying Gallente have Devs and Minnies have CSM, and CCP is conspiring to end the war in the favor of Gallente/Minmatar and shut FW down forever.



If you're arguing that there should be more mechanics to favor the losing militia and encourage 'comebacks,' that's fine. That veers into the reasonable.

That said, I think you're making too much out of the 'Gross LP Advantage = Irreversible Victory' angle. Making isk after the Winter Expansion will be fairly easy for everyone in FW, even if you're on the "losing" side. In fact, your faction making less LP overall will increase the market value of your LP store offerings.

Logi are sometimes the only reason (Ok I lied, triple links too ) why we caldari are able to engage a justified chaos blob on a gate/in a major. They allow caldari to fight outnumbered, and even then just the simple showing of logi wins the plex because most gallente are scared to fight a caldari gang half their size if it has logi *cough*.

An issue for newer players might come up if they can only fly t1 cruisers for mediums and have to go against T2 cruisers, but then again a moa, rupture or thorax isn't that much less effective than their T2 counterparts. Now if you fly amarr T1 cruisers...Ok I see a valid point there. Some T1 cruisers need fixing...so do some HACS too. Ever since the tier 3 battlecruisers were introduced you only see hacs as often as...never. (You do see AHAC gangs, but they're not that common unless they're hugging a titan in sujarento, nisuwa, iralaja, etc). I haven't seen a sniper HAC gang in quite some time.


As far the comments regarding "falcon/logi at range= autowin" fit some damps. It's not like gallente engage on the fly anyway, you guys keep us waiting for like, an hour before you guys bring a fight to some of our proper gangs with as many numbers you could rally in that hours time (which generally varies from a 3:1 numbers ratio to a 7:1 ratio). You have plenty of time to scout out our gang, get our fleet comp, get everyyyyoneeeeeeeee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk), and come up with a counter fleet comp (that is also 3x our numbers or more).