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HOW TO KILL (most) MINING BOTS

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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-09-02 15:49:24 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
I do not like the idea. This would interfere with my ability to multibox, which is a valid and completely legal way to mine.

Also it would be extremely emersion breaking.

Also what most people think are bots are really just players multiboxing. Just my opinion.


I concur. I have seen may threads where someone was accusing a miner using ISBOxer of botting, and then crying that they haven't been banned after filing a petition.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#42 - 2012-09-02 16:05:39 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
As for that 3rd world stuff. My X runs a web development firm they do front end and back end web development, what ever that means? I know nothing in depth about computing or code. Any way she gets contracts to build websites here and she out sources all of her work to Pakistan. She tells the firm that she is doing all the work but then sends the work to Pakistan and pays Pakistani wages via paypal for work where she is getting European wages for, she was taking 5 salary's at one point while only spending a few hours each day sending and reciving the work and finishing touches. Needless to say she is making a lot of money. Some of the work they send back needs finishing touches so she spends a few hours a day doing the finishing work making it perfect for the client. I worked out one day while playing eve at her house that she makes around $600 phr on a really good day, like I said she does not put man hrs work in but is becoming incredibly wealthy still. The Pakistani's get a good wage too compared to other jobs in the area. She said that she only gets the best developers as she pays much higher wages than the local developer.

It something that I have looked into doing as you don't really need any skills just contracts here in the UK and a handful of kids in the 3rd world. I'd say the job description is more a recruitment agent fencing himself as a specialist while outsourcing to the 3rd world.


My brother outsources Web Development to people in India and a few other places, and they're definitely not kids. Most are late 20s to 30-something. That said, they usually produce work that needs to be spot-checked and refined, but so do many developers here.

He also has developers here, and they actually do less work and log more hours, then produce half-finished results as often as not. It's almost painful dealing with them, aside from a few and most have been let go because of cost overruns resulting from their work.

He's done the work himself, so he knows how long it should take, and he does have one guy here he's promoted to project manager who can check the work and also verify it or fix it if needed. In one case, he actually took 30 minutes to rebuild something that another guy had logged more hours for and never finished.

Either way, I think he pays the same or close to, but with a few exceptions he has had more success with International employees. The only real issue--her or there--is that sometimes people use unlicenced images which can cause problems later. I suggested replacing all such content if unverified because I know he's had to pay out >3K on at least two occaisions because of it. Takes quite a few jobs to make up for that.

It's not really so simple as just getting and pushing out jobs and checking them though. Mostly, it involves pitching sales, finding clients, maintaining them, and communicating needs to everyone involved in the project as it happens.

Sometimes it doesn't happen that your Designer doing Vector graphics can communicate easily with a client and you have to go between to get things sorted out and make sure the client gives a clear picture of what he/she is looking for. Other times, it's something else.

I'm also certain that he doesn't make near $600/hr consistently even if his business does do well. People have to be paid, jobs generally take 2-3 weeks to complete, and there is competition.

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Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#43 - 2012-09-03 03:44:33 UTC
Sofar the best solution to stop them is to go to war, and watch them camp the station.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-09-03 03:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Marked Prospectus
Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-09-03 03:59:56 UTC
wrong forum, bad idea, 0/10

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.

Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-09-03 03:59:57 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.


That's the plan...

Haven't you quit yet...isn't your wife waiting for you to go play WoW or something?

James315 for CSM 8!

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#47 - 2012-09-03 04:17:41 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.


Too bad the casual botters are in hi sec but the real dangerous ones (RMT) live in blueballed nullsec, never touched by any initiative like Hulkageddon and similar.
Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-09-03 04:21:41 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.


That's the plan...

Haven't you quit yet...isn't your wife waiting for you to go play WoW or something?


Keep up the good work.

I can do both, nobody is going around ganking folks in WoW. The Guards work faster than the griefers there.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-09-03 04:24:14 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.


That's the plan...

Haven't you quit yet...isn't your wife waiting for you to go play WoW or something?


Keep up the good work.

I can do both, nobody is going around ganking folks in WoW. The Guards work faster than the griefers there.


Then what is the problem, play WoW with your wife, while you AFK mine and accept the consequences in Eve (I mean your only problem with it because you are a vet, was that your wife didn't like it); sounds like a win-win-win situation. So why not stop crying about it?

James315 for CSM 8!

Marked Prospectus
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-09-03 04:26:31 UTC
No crying, fully accepting it now. You guys convinced me. It's a win win. And it's obviously the solution here. Gank the miners, solve the bot problem.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-09-03 04:32:29 UTC
Marked Prospectus wrote:
No crying, fully accepting it now. You guys convinced me. It's a win win. And it's obviously the solution here. Gank the miners, solve the bot problem.


Well glad we had these discussions then...I'd say fly safe...but we know you don't do that...

night night...

James315 for CSM 8!

Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#52 - 2012-09-03 07:41:30 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Look let me fill you in on some info about bots. CCP likes bots, bots pay to play the game they pay $15 a month through plex just like you and I. Botting is a grey area and CCP's punishments for getting caught botting just prove that it's against the rules in writing but meh if you get caught we'll just warn you.

CCP does not care if you bot. What CCP cares about is when people start complaining about your specific bot as it is upsetting their other customers and thus hurting CCP's profit.
[...]
If however your bot is running and making reasonable amounts of ISK while not annoying people CCP will not give a care.
[...]


They pay $15, yes. But what everyone using this line of argument usually forgets is that they also use server ressources for these $15.
Let's say, an average player plays 4 hours a day. A bot plays 23.5/7. So on these numbers alone the bot would be using 6 times as much resources as an average player per day.
Granted, an actively playing player will likely require more load per hour of playtime on average. So, without knowing exact numbers we can't do the math. But saying "they pay $15, so CCP likes them" is just silly.

Actually... did they release stats on server loads bots vs. players? If not, we should ask CCP Diagoras!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-09-03 07:44:08 UTC
They did release information about the average CPU used pr player, after they did the unholy rage thing, and I think they banned, what, 5k accounts, and I believe the average CPU used pr player dropped, across the cluster, with 10% or so.

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#54 - 2012-09-03 08:05:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Lord Zim wrote:
They did release information about the average CPU used pr player, after they did the unholy rage thing, and I think they banned, what, 5k accounts, and I believe the average CPU used pr player dropped, across the cluster, with 10% or so.

So Unholy Rage was around 2009? Let's say there were 300k subscribers back then (MMOData.net).
The Dev Blog actually shows a graphic where the CPU/user drops from 170 to 120, so thats a 30% drop (% also stated in the blog).
That means 294k players caused 70% load, 6k bots caused 30% load. By these numbers, a bot causes 21x the load of a normal player.
Now tell me again that CCP likes bots^^


PS:
The total load drop is actually even higher than 30%, since the online numbers dropped a bit, too, but I think the above made my point clear enough. All assuming of course the numbers provided were correct.
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#55 - 2012-09-03 08:14:50 UTC
Captcha... Is that those stupid image text things with the words that make no sense/you cant read?

I dont mine, But this sounds like a stupid idea...
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-09-03 20:46:01 UTC
CCP should do captchas...but in Icelandic, and your account gets deleted if you don't answer correctly in 20 seconds. That should liven things up.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-09-03 21:59:56 UTC
the best way to kill mining bots is still group your weapons, lock, F1 Big smile

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2012-09-03 22:08:08 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Marked Prospectus wrote:
Just keep killing all miners in highsec. You'll get the bots in the mess.


Too bad the casual botters are in hi sec but the real dangerous ones (RMT) live in blueballed nullsec, never touched by any initiative like Hulkageddon and similar.


By far the biggest hive of bots is in caldari space.
Betrinna Cantis
#59 - 2012-09-03 22:30:08 UTC
ArrowRoll Nothing to see here... Get back to your ships....Move along.P

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C O'Brien
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-09-04 02:19:10 UTC
Why does no one understand CCP will NEVER get rid of bots. Each bot represents a PAID ACCOUNT. Drop any conversations involving bots.