EVE General Discussion

No reason at all, really.

And the Skiff does indeed have less yield because it lacks a third midslot.

You will use the skiff to mine at ease and afk when hundreds of Catalysts fly next to you and leave you alone.

Now I haven't tried this yet but could the skiff mine in hidden asteroid belts, where rats spawn a lot.

Those are not tiers.

Tiers would be-
Tank/Yield/Ore hold:
Hulk>Mack>Skiff as it was before.

Now they are roles based on those three aspects.

Wrong.

We only have so much in the budget, the reason it worked before was because the foolish untanked masses funded the flow of gankboats. If the mack had the same tank as a hulk then yes, we could pull it off so long as miners continued to be stupid and go untanked. This would also mean the skiff would be more wanted so in the end, good miners and industry players would be more rewarded.

As I said, we have a budget and you can see what most of it has gone into

We are the ones who came up with the destroyer gank. In 0.5 space it still works but above that requires more firepower which means no profit. So long as the bots fly macks in great numbers there is very little we can do about it in the long term. Miners are going to have to get used to lower mineral/ice prices again.

I like the carebear dynamic CCP is pushing here.

Miners: "Mine all you want, you don't have to tank - or even pay attention anymore - here's your ISK."

Gankers: "Under no circumstances will you be allowed to profit from ganking miners. Here's your nerf."

Mining in highsec was already incredibly safe. Its just that miners are incredibly slow to learn and incredibly quick to fire-up the whine-tank.

Plus we have DEVs who pop-off in the forums without even understanding the concept of 'profitable' ganking.

Apparently in Soundwave's special world:

Gankers lose 200M worth of T3 Battlecruiser.
Miner loses a 300M ISK post-buff Mackinaw.
Gankers recover 30M ISK in salvage.

To Soundwave - thats 'profitable'.
Thats some pretty 'special' math right there - and not special in a good way.

Yes, because ships should be balanced based on what the dumbest pilots who fly them are capable of. Good plan.

FFS. You people just don't know how to read. CCP said themselves that all the ships are being rebalanced... it was just the time for barges/exhumers. How do you all know when it comes time to redo destroyers or battlecruisers that they wont get a buff that makes them strong enough to gank miners the way you used to?

And finally, you grifer/ganker/crybabies need to stop thinking you're entitled to have the game run the way YOU think it should, this isn't your game.

And everyone, everywhere compares to the Catalyst, assuming that everyone ganks in large groups.
I solo gank.
I generally use the Tornado, 75-100M each.
It gets 1 or 2 volleys at roughly 12K, 13 seconds apart.

So, as it stands now - a Tornado can't even kill a single max-yield Mackinaw.....in 0.5.
A tanked Mack? Forget about it. Even the Talos won't scratch that paint.
Smartbombing Typhoons? Extinct. At best, 8800-9600 damage over 20seconds.

And we are talking max-skills and 5% damage implants here - not some 2 week old alt.

"B-b-b-but you can still kill Hulks...."
What Hulks, where? - oh wait, CCP buffed them, but made them obsolete when they turned the Mackinaw into a perfect high-sec AFK-money printing device.