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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#961 - 2012-09-03 17:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Oh come on. We've been over this. Copies take longer to make than production.


Copying T2 BPO takes less time than inventing. And that's main point.


Hammerhead II BPO
Copy time: 50 minutes per single run
Production Time: 26 minutes production time

Why would anyone copy them when you can build them faster?

As for invention, I can invent 40-50 runs of Hammerhead II in 2 hours. So copying a T2 BPO takes less time than inventing? Ahh no, not even close.

What exactly is your point? That you have no idea wtf you are talking about? Oh, no that's right. You are TROLLING.

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Skeenal Raholan
Doomheim
#962 - 2012-09-03 17:19:38 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
they have a limited number of runs they can make!


I've heard that copying T2 BPO is possible...


Really? Can you actually build from that t2bpo while it's copying???

NO, that's a very idiotic response!

Think before posting again!

End result, inventing can make more money then a t2bpo( due to limited runs on the bpo), end of story. if you can't figure out why, that's your loss i'm afraid.
Pipa Porto
#963 - 2012-09-03 17:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Round and round we go with the amazing head-injured Jorma Morkkis (seriously, letting a Concussion go for months without a Doctors examination isn't smart. Go to the hospital. Amnesia is a serious medical concern.)

Copying T2 BPOs is never, has never, and almost certainly will never be an issue because it takes longer and costs more than manufacturing straight off the BPO.

And invention sets the prices in the vast majority of markets. Not BPOs.

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-RubyPorto
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#964 - 2012-09-03 17:20:42 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

I posted for the bitter vets and the Devs of CCP
But they would not post back and they wouldn't follow me
I posted for the noobs and for the good Kugu
They came with me and the thread went on:

Post, post, wherever you may be
I am the lord of the T2BPO whine thread, said he
And I lead you all, wherever you may be
And I lead you all in the thread, said he
.


hahaha...yea I see how Kugu is supporting your campaign
brewlar`s Kugu thread

so good!



Not my thread sorry that's not my Kugu user name someone is just trolling with it sadly.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#965 - 2012-09-03 17:37:22 UTC
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
due to limited runs on the bpo


BPCs: limited runs
BPOs: unlimited runs

Pipa Porto wrote:
Amnesia


Good game. You should try it.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#966 - 2012-09-03 17:41:54 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Round and round we go with the amazing head-injured Jorma Morkkis (seriously, letting a Concussion go for months without a Doctors examination isn't smart. Go to the hospital. Amnesia is a serious medical concern.)

Copying T2 BPOs is never, has never, and almost certainly will never be an issue because it takes longer and costs more than manufacturing straight off the BPO.

And invention sets the prices in the vast majority of markets. Not BPOs.


I stand corrected, Yet again, apparently some one thinks there is no profit to be made in T2 BPO's but its all in Invention?
So... lets take the logical step here...underpants...profit?
Pipa Porto
#967 - 2012-09-03 17:44:12 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
due to limited runs on the bpo


BPCs: limited runs
BPOs: unlimited runs



Look, he thinks he caught something.

Jorma, BPOs are limited in the number of runs they can produce per unit time. You brought up BPCs as a way around that limitation. We pointed out that you were dead wrong. Not recognizing the context of the sentence you quoted (when your comments were the context) is a sign that you have severe short term memory problems for which you should see a Doctor.

That's the advantage invention has over BPOs. With a given amount of Capital, you can fill far more factory slots using invention than you ever could with T2 BPOs.

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-RubyPorto
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#968 - 2012-09-03 17:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
''Geez would CCP stop spamming me with all these worthless T2BPO's how can I possibly make profit from these gifted items with inventors under cutting me all the time?'' Never once said not even by X-BOB members.

Remove Invention T2 production should be for CCP's chosen players just like it originally was. Noobs don't deserve the ability to make T2. As for T3 what the **** where are the BPO's? get them out to pets ASAP!
Skeenal Raholan
Doomheim
#969 - 2012-09-03 17:48:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeenal Raholan
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
due to limited runs on the bpo


BPCs: limited runs
BPOs: unlimited runs

Pipa Porto wrote:
Amnesia


Good game. You should try it.


Good lord it's amazing you know enough to breath.

I hope you don't reproduce. If you have or plan too, i feel sorry for the children.

Bpo = limited # of runs you can run per month, moron.

I can make more t2 bpc's in a month then the owner of the t2bpo can produce product.
Pipa Porto
#970 - 2012-09-03 17:49:03 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Round and round we go with the amazing head-injured Jorma Morkkis (seriously, letting a Concussion go for months without a Doctors examination isn't smart. Go to the hospital. Amnesia is a serious medical concern.)

Copying T2 BPOs is never, has never, and almost certainly will never be an issue because it takes longer and costs more than manufacturing straight off the BPO.

And invention sets the prices in the vast majority of markets. Not BPOs.


I stand corrected, Yet again, apparently some one thinks there is no profit to be made in T2 BPO's but its all in Invention?
So... lets take the logical step here...underpants...profit?


Where did I say T2 BPOs were not, on the whole, profitable? Quote and Link, please. (Yes, I'm going to treat your straw men the same way I treat Jorma's)

You need to pack your straw men better.

Not being the price setter does not mean that the T2 BPOs aren't profitable. They are, but, because most of the demand is filled by invented items, the price is set relative to inventors and their costs, not BPO owners and their costs. And despite the fact that their profit/unit is higher, they're still a terrible investment because of their insane valuation.

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-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#971 - 2012-09-03 17:51:51 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
''Geez would CCP stop spamming me with all these worthless T2BPO's how can I possibly make profit from these gifted items with inventors under cutting me all the time?'' Never once said not even by X-BOB members.

Remove Invention T2 production should be for CCP's chosen players just like it originally was. Noobs don't deserve the ability to make T2. As for T3 what the **** where are the BPO's? get them out to pets ASAP!


If you're not going to address our rebuttals and are instead going to keep posting the same debunked shit and straw man arguments, get out.

By the way, didn't you promise that you were quitting in favor of EVE:Serenity?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#972 - 2012-09-03 17:54:59 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
due to limited runs on the bpo


BPCs: limited runs
BPOs: unlimited runs



Look, he thinks he caught something.

Jorma, BPOs are limited in the number of runs they can produce per unit time. You brought up BPCs as a way around that limitation. We pointed out that you were dead wrong. Not recognizing the context of the sentence you quoted (when your comments were the context) is a sign that you have severe short term memory problems for which you should see a Doctor.

That's the advantage invention has over BPOs. With a given amount of Capital, you can fill far more factory slots using invention than you ever could with T2 BPOs.


This makes no sense, your argument is invalid.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#973 - 2012-09-03 18:02:08 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
''Geez would CCP stop spamming me with all these worthless T2BPO's how can I possibly make profit from these gifted items with inventors under cutting me all the time?'' Never once said not even by X-BOB members.

Remove Invention T2 production should be for CCP's chosen players just like it originally was. Noobs don't deserve the ability to make T2. As for T3 what the **** where are the BPO's? get them out to pets ASAP!


If you're not going to address our rebuttals and are instead going to keep posting the same debunked shit and straw man arguments, get out.

By the way, didn't you promise that you were quitting in favor of EVE:Serenity?



Yeah about that... the server was peaking at over 40k players which is higher than tranquillity which was nice but sadly it's kinda drifting off now. Also they make it kinda hard to pay. Also I'm happy to see this post get necro'd and I'm here just to throw petrol on the fire. Although to be fair T2BPO's glaring flaws does not really need any more fuel.

Also I'm 100% for T2BPO now.

T2BPO's are the best thing in game, if you don't have one tough **** you should have been around when CCP was chucking them to their mates for **** all. Actually lest than **** all, garbage is currently worth around 12 isk per unit. RP is worth less than that. Anyway if you want one your going to have to pay for it by buying plex or getting your ass onto Ebay where you can RMT one because there ain't no other way your getting it.

Your not ganking it because there is zero reason for a t2bpo to leave a station and your not stealing it because he magical BPO locks prevent you stealing them. Sure you can still use it though. CCP really ought to allow supercaps to be locked incase someone loses 1 in combat.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#974 - 2012-09-03 18:10:05 UTC
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
Bpo = limited # of runs you can run per month, moron.


Try to copy it next time...
Skeenal Raholan
Doomheim
#975 - 2012-09-03 18:13:40 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
Bpo = limited # of runs you can run per month, moron.


Try to copy it next time...


You have already been told why that's an invalid argument.
Pipa Porto
#976 - 2012-09-03 18:15:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Skeenal Raholan wrote:
Bpo = limited # of runs you can run per month, moron.


Try to copy it next time...



And you end up manufacturing fewer items in that month. Good job.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#977 - 2012-09-03 18:19:55 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
And you end up manufacturing fewer items in that month. Good job.


That's why you have at least ten BPOs.
Pipa Porto
#978 - 2012-09-03 18:20:04 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Yeah about that... the server was peaking at over 40k players which is higher than tranquillity which was nice but sadly it's kinda drifting off now. Also they make it kinda hard to pay. Also I'm happy to see this post get necro'd and I'm here just to throw petrol on the fire. Although to be fair T2BPO's glaring flaws does not really need any more fuel.

Also I'm 100% for T2BPO now.

T2BPO's are the best thing in game, if you don't have one tough **** you should have been around when CCP was chucking them to their mates for **** all. Actually lest than **** all, garbage is currently worth around 12 isk per unit. RP is worth less than that. Anyway if you want one your going to have to pay for it by buying plex or getting your ass onto Ebay where you can RMT one because there ain't no other way your getting it.

Your not ganking it because there is zero reason for a t2bpo to leave a station and your not stealing it because he magical BPO locks prevent you stealing them. Sure you can still use it though. CCP really ought to allow supercaps to be locked incase someone loses 1 in combat.



If you have any evidence that any T2 BPOs currently in the game were seeded improperly or otherwise acquired due to Dev misconduct, either post that evidence or send it to CCP's IA department.


As for your little fit about RP values, if you have the time machine needed to make that argument valid, I would suggest that there are better things you could use it for.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#979 - 2012-09-03 18:21:59 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
And you end up manufacturing fewer items in that month. Good job.


That's why you have at least ten BPOs.


And now you're saying that it's worth tying say 5 Trillion ISK up in BPOs in order to make 40 billion ISK a month. (Scimitar BPOs)

There are any number of things you can do with 5 Trillion ISK that would earn far more than 40 billion ISK a month.


But then, we've been over this before.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#980 - 2012-09-03 18:25:00 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
And now you're saying that it's worth tying say 5 Trillion ISK up in BPOs in order to make 40 billion ISK a month. (Scimitar BPOs)

There are any number of things you can do with 5 Trillion ISK that would earn far more than 40 billion ISK a month.


Those BPOs cost you exactly 0 isk. so 40 billion per month for 0 isk investment is quite good.