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How to Scare High Sec Miner CRAPLESS!!!!!

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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
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#21 - 2012-09-03 16:17:05 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Whining until CCP gives them less ehp is just stupid.

Where were you when the miners whined for more EHP? Blink

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-09-03 16:21:43 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Whining until CCP gives them less ehp is just stupid.

Where were you when the miners whined for more EHP? Blink


The barges/exhumers needed more hit points, they were far to low for what the ships cost. Exhumers should have always had high ehp as they are the highest end ships you can get for mining.
CCP didn't rebalance the ships because people whined, they rebalanced them because they needed a rebalance. Just like frigates are getting done, destroyers will eventually and so on. It was simply the barges/exhumers turn first.

The people whining about the changes are whining because its not oh so simple to kill them anymore, not because they are "over powered" or unbalanced. An untanked exhumer is still easy enough to kill.
Galen Enderstone
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-09-03 16:31:33 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
the last bit is miners used to be easy to kill, but CCP recently improved the ships to make them a bit tougher and instead of adapting to this change...those crybabies flock to this forum to constantly kick and scream about it because it now will take a bit of effort to kill them..


I'd assume they'd regard it as silly if the Devs created a combat ship that was slow, had a wafer thin hull, next to no shielding but a big cannon on it. They'd probably regard it as absurdly balanced, as it would be too slow to even get close enough to a none AFK player to use that big gun.

Why should a mining craft only be good at ore yield and nothing else then? They're slow and have no weapons, some extra shielding is at least something to make up for being a none combatant.

Abel Merkabah wrote:
Most miners (not all) are the poster child for the risk adverse.


They're miners though. We're talking about ships with minimal combat and manoeuvring capability, they're not supposed to get involved in high risk situations. What science fiction scenario has portrayed space mining ships as being combat ready? They usually show them as having an armed escort, or are these great big hulking things that can take some beating while waiting for help.

Seems silly to criticise an industrial craft for not wanting to enter a dangerous scenario, it's not risk adverse to not want to go to a tank fight with a forklift.
Arec Bardwin
#24 - 2012-09-03 16:32:05 UTC
Galen Enderstone wrote:
What is people's obsession with miners? I've only been playing ten days and all I hear about on here is miners.
The PVPers are mostly lonely males searching desperately for company, and all the miners make them sad because they mine instead of playing with them. All the ganking and harassment are just primitive methods of getting the attention of the miners, and to eventually become friends with them so the PVPers have someone to play with.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
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#25 - 2012-09-03 16:34:12 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
The barges/exhumers needed more hit points, they were far to low for what the ships cost. Exhumers should have always had high ehp as they are the highest end ships you can get for mining.
CCP didn't rebalance the ships because people whined, they rebalanced them because they needed a rebalance.

Exhumers have been around since, what, 2006? They just noticed the need for more EHP after Infinite Hulkageddon and all the whining? I think you know better than that. Blink

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#26 - 2012-09-03 16:35:08 UTC
TBH miners have the best and tastiest Tears ;)

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Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#27 - 2012-09-03 18:03:08 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Exhumers have been around since, what, 2006? They just noticed the need for more EHP after Infinite Hulkageddon and all the whining? I think you know better than that. Blink


And the game has never changed since 2006, so nothing needed to be done.

That being said, miners need to STFU and HTFU. We got what we wanted. If you die to a gank, you deserve it.

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-09-03 18:51:22 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
The barges/exhumers needed more hit points, they were far to low for what the ships cost. Exhumers should have always had high ehp as they are the highest end ships you can get for mining.
CCP didn't rebalance the ships because people whined, they rebalanced them because they needed a rebalance.

Exhumers have been around since, what, 2006? They just noticed the need for more EHP after Infinite Hulkageddon and all the whining? I think you know better than that. Blink


By that logic, any ship that has issues that hasn't been fixed years after they have been around should never be fixed. So frigates, destroyers and every ship they plan on rebalancing doesn't need a rebalance? Come on now.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#29 - 2012-09-03 18:58:45 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


Welcome to EVE Online, you will learn that a large % of forum users will whine about mining. Few reasons really, because miners can mine with a bit less risk than most other professions in EVE, you can be semi AFK while you mine (depending on what you mine) and the last bit is miners used to be easy to kill, but CCP recently improved the ships to make them a bit tougher and instead of adapting to this change...those crybabies flock to this forum to constantly kick and scream about it because it now will take a bit of effort to kill them.


Miners are still stupid and still do not tank their ships. It still isnt much of a challange to kill them just not profitable.
Chribba
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Otherworld Empire
#30 - 2012-09-03 18:58:45 UTC
Someone did this, I still had all my cap? Maybe my skills are just too good so I recharge quickly?

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#31 - 2012-09-03 19:01:14 UTC
I remember when I was taught to say boo.

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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-09-03 19:06:44 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


The barges/exhumers needed more hit points, they were far to low for what the ships cost. Exhumers should have always had high ehp as they are the highest end ships you can get for mining.


The hulk had the same base tank as heavy assault ships.
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-09-03 19:21:34 UTC
1. Equip Miner 2's to Tornado.
2. Warp to belt full of exhumer's
3. Mine by yourself alone in the belt.
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#34 - 2012-09-03 19:25:47 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:

Most miners (not all) are the poster child for the risk adverse. In my experience with the game they also are the scrubs (whining for mechanics changing without using the options already provided to them in game).

Due to this, in certain groups, pure miners have a stigma of being horrible for the game. We in that group tend to mess with them when possible. If the miners are not what we have stereotyped them to be, they would fight back in someway shape or form; however most do not, they simply run and hide and complain about it. Hence proving they are the scrubs we believe them to be.


Awesome! More stupid assumptions and invalid points! How is a miner supposed to fight back? Last time I checked mining lasers dont do any damage to a ship. Do you want them to reship and come at you in a BC? What a brilliant idea for pure industrial toons, dont waste time training industry skills, stop that nonsense and train up combat skills even though that is not what you want to do in the game. Go hire a merc corp and pay hundreds of millions to war dec the gankers corp. Maybe if you get lucky they might actually get to kill the one tough guy who blew up your defenseless mining barge. All that for a few hundred million, what a bargain!

The bottom line is, it makes James and friends mad that they can attack a miner and then be ignored. They dont understand that not everyone wants to train up combat skills and participate in blob warfare. They dont understand that it is far cheaper to replace a mining barge than it is to wardec and pay mercs. They dont understand that many miners have spent time in null and found it was simply not for them. In the end, it is a lack of understanding that starts most conflicts, both in Eve and in the real world.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#35 - 2012-09-03 19:29:52 UTC
Volar Kang wrote:


Awesome! More stupid assumptions and invalid points! How is a miner supposed to fight back? Last time I checked mining lasers dont do any damage to a ship. Do you want them to reship and come at you in a BC? What a brilliant idea for pure industrial toons, dont waste time training industry skills, stop that nonsense and train up combat skills even though that is not what you want to do in the game. Go hire a merc corp and pay hundreds of millions to war dec the gankers corp. Maybe if you get lucky they might actually get to kill the one tough guy who blew up your defenseless mining barge. All that for a few hundred million, what a bargain!

The bottom line is, it makes James and friends mad that they can attack a miner and then be ignored. They dont understand that not everyone wants to train up combat skills and participate in blob warfare. They dont understand that it is far cheaper to replace a mining barge than it is to wardec and pay mercs. They dont understand that many miners have spent time in null and found it was simply not for them. In the end, it is a lack of understanding that starts most conflicts, both in Eve and in the real world.


Fitting a tank would be a good start.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#36 - 2012-09-03 19:39:11 UTC
Galen Enderstone wrote:
What is people's obsession with miners? I've only been playing ten days and all I hear about on here is miners.


I don't get it either, some guy in some bfe belt sitting about, it's about as removed from my game as it gets. I noticed some don't like the way they play, semi afk, it seems to really bother them. Like in life, some peeps get obsessed about a group of people and say they cant do what they want., then again maybe they are killing eve economically somehow but I didn't see any stats on that. So for now going with the real life example.
Josef Djugashvilis
#37 - 2012-09-03 19:51:39 UTC
Galen Enderstone wrote:
What is people's obsession with miners? I've only been playing ten days and all I hear about on here is miners.



It is best not to confuse 'people' with the terminally boring james and his elite 'bumping' tactics.

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Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-09-03 21:16:36 UTC
Man, you know I've got to wondering... whilst the EHP buff happened, I can't help but think to myself that I'm so sick of self-righteous miners whacking off about how they where right, because CCP flinched, that I might actually take up suicide ganking just to **** with them. It doesn't have to be profitable, just satisfying.

I wonder if any others are thinking about it at the moment?

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#39 - 2012-09-03 21:21:32 UTC
Galen Enderstone wrote:
What is people's obsession with miners? I've only been playing ten days and all I hear about on here is miners.


For some reason, miners (especially high-sec ones) have an uncanny ability to get non high-sec players extremely upset.

Therefore I believe miners are the biggest trolls in the game, and they barely have to pay attention to the screen to work their magic.

Keep on molesting those rocks, miners, for you are truly the kings of this game.

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Selinate
#40 - 2012-09-03 21:38:20 UTC
People just need to find a mining op going on in highsec somewhere with a ton of exhumers sitting around, warp in with a BS with smartbombs fit, and just get their rage out already.

I'd be surprised if you can't still blow up a couple of exhumers with a smartbomb BS.... just have to man up and take the sec hit.
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